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mendi Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:20am

Two Q about Travelling, Double Dribble:
 
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot.
you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot.
(as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot)
Now you must shot or pass, and its forbidden to bring down the pivot foot.
my questions are:
1.a) is there a time limit to stay standing on the other foot?
1.b) is there any travelling rule that say that its forbidden to jump on the second foot? (for exmple if you lose stability)

2) dribble end.
2.a)is it ok to throw the ball (gently and purposly) on the oponent body and recover it back after you did walk (ofcourse i mean that the oponent didnt touch the ball with his hands)?
2.b) is it ok to dirbble after you throw the ball on oponent body and recoverd it back?

BillyMac Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:29am

Timeout ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 638288)
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot. you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot. (as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot) Now you must shot or pass ...

... or request a timeout.

bas2456 Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 638288)
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot.
you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot.
(as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot)
Now you must shot or pass, and its forbidden to bring down the pivot foot.
my questions are:
1.a) is there a time limit to stay standing on the other foot?
1.b) is there any travelling rule that say that its forbidden to jump on the second foot? (for exmple if you lose stability)

The way I understand the case book, (4.43.3 C) this situation isn't a travel. However, is the player not essentially switching his pivot foot here?

mbyron Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 638288)
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot.
you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot.
(as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot)
Now you must shot or pass, and its forbidden to bring down the pivot foot.
my questions are:
1.a) is there a time limit to stay standing on the other foot?
1.b) is there any travelling rule that say that its forbidden to jump on the second foot? (for exmple if you lose stability)

2) dribble end.
2.a)is it ok to throw the ball (gently and purposly) on the oponent body and recover it back after you did walk (ofcourse i mean that the oponent didnt touch the ball with his hands)?
2.b) is it ok to dirbble after you throw the ball on oponent body and recoverd it back?

1a. For NFHS, no, but you could have a closely guarded count. NCAA will have a shot clock.
1b. Yes, if he returns to the floor (4-44-3b).

2a. Yes, provided it's not a foul.
2b. Yes (9-5-2).

mbyron Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 638295)
The way I understand the case book, (4.43.3 C) this situation isn't a travel. However, is the player not essentially switching his pivot foot here?

No such thing as switching the pivot foot. Perhaps you're defining the pivot foot incorrectly as the one on the floor?

Vinski Thu Nov 26, 2009 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 638288)
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot.
you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot.
(as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot)
Now you must shot or pass, and its forbidden to bring down the pivot foot.
my questions are:
1.a) is there a time limit to stay standing on the other foot?
1.b) is there any travelling rule that say that its forbidden to jump on the second foot? (for exmple if you lose stability)

2) dribble end.
2.a)is it ok to throw the ball (gently and purposly) on the oponent body and recover it back after you did walk (ofcourse i mean that the oponent didnt touch the ball with his hands)?
2.b) is it ok to dirbble after you throw the ball on oponent body and recoverd it back?

I’m really liking the use of the word “forbidden” here.

Me: Signaling a travel
Coach: How is that a travel?!
Me: Your players are forbidden from taking two steps.
Coach: Well, if you put it that way.

mendi Thu Nov 26, 2009 02:59pm

Thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 638296)
1a. For NFHS, no, but you could have a closely guarded count. NCAA will have a shot clock.
1b. Yes, if he returns to the floor (4-44-3b).

2a. Yes, provided it's not a foul.
2b. Yes (9-5-2).

Thanks for answers!

Do you have some link that i can see those rules numbers for example 4-44-3b...

BktBallRef Thu Nov 26, 2009 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 638296)
2a. Yes, provided it's not a foul.

How can you foul someone by throwing the ball off them? :confused:

bob jenkins Thu Nov 26, 2009 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 638331)
How can you foul someone by throwing the ball off them? :confused:

Unsporting T.

(unlikely but possible)

Ref_in_Alberta Thu Nov 26, 2009 05:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendi (Post 638288)
1) dribble end. you got pivot foot.
you raise the pivot foot. now you stand on the other foot.
(as i understand the rules. that ok to raise the pivot foot)
Now you must shot or pass, and its forbidden to bring down the pivot foot.
my questions are:
1.a) is there a time limit to stay standing on the other foot?
1.b) is there any travelling rule that say that its forbidden to jump on the second foot? (for exmple if you lose stability)

2) dribble end.
2.a)is it ok to throw the ball (gently and purposly) on the oponent body and recover it back after you did walk (ofcourse i mean that the oponent didnt touch the ball with his hands)?
2.b) is it ok to dirbble after you throw the ball on oponent body and recoverd it back?

1a. The only time limit is either the 5 second closely gaurded on the shot clock expiring. (24 seconds in FIBA)

1b. This would be a violation.

2a. In order to commit a travelling violation you must be in control of the ball (i.e. holding the ball) and move you pivot foot illegally. In your example you cannot call a travelling violation because the player is not in control of the ball.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 638292)
... or request a timeout.

Seeing as the OP is not from the USA I suspect he would be speaking of FIBA rules. FIBA rules do not allow a player to request a timeout. Only the H/C or A/C can request a timeout through the score table and this request should be granted during the next dead ball.

BTW... Happy Thanksgiving to all of you in the U.S.A from your northern neighbours!!!

BktBallRef Thu Nov 26, 2009 06:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 638332)
Unsporting T.

(unlikely but possible)

I'm aware but that's not fouling someone with the ball.


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