No sub for fouled out player
 

At a recent game, player receives their fifth foul and we are shooting two. Does the fouled out player have to wait for the completion of the first free throw before they leave the floor and sit on the bench? ( no sub was available)

You have the player replaced as soon as your notified of their fifth foul. You don't have to wait till the first free throw is completed to do this.

Replace the DQ'd player, bring in any other subs that want to check in, and then shoot the free throws.

Ideally (some scorekeepers seem to require 3-5 business days to notify you of a player's fifth foul) your first order of business after reporting the foul is the notify the player's coach, then notify the player, then instruct the timer to begin the 20 second timer. You do not shoot free throws until the player is replaced. You do not grant any time out requests until the player is replaced. Any other subs that are waiting to come in when the replacement enters, may enter as well.

Non-ideally, all the above is still true, but you do it as soon as the scorekeeper finally notifies you of the player's 5th foul. There is no penalty for the player continuing to play if the scorekeeper has failed to notify the officials that the player is disqualified.

I had a player foul out on Sat and was going about my business as above and was told by my evaluator/trainer my first order of business once I was notified was is to inform my partners - then the coach. I kinda like that. Thoughts?

That's how I do it. Turn to my partners, verbally and manually indicate 5 fouls, then notify the coach.

Absolutely. Otherwise, they are likely to go ahead an administer the FT while you are getting the replacement player.

And, be sure they receive the message. It's too easy to tell them that it's 5 fouls, and to have them look right at you while you are doing it, and still have them not receive the message (they are thinking about getting players lined up for FTs, etc). I speak from experience on this. :(

On the slow scorekeepers -- near the end of the game, take a little extra time at the table after reporting the foul to see if it's the player's fifth foul.

I don't have my books in front of me, but I thought it was notify the coach, instruct the timer to begin the 20 second timer, and then notify the player.

Am I wrong?

You are correct.

Just remembered all the books are now online. From page 37 of the officials manual:

The non-calling official shall notify the coach and request the timer to
begin the replacement interval, and then notify the disqualified player.

And none of that does any good if you don't inform your partners, and they're shooting free-throws while you're waiting on a sub.

Hmmm...I think we lost track of the OP with all of our responses. Do you mean that there was no sub available at all or there wasn't anyone reported or??? I think everyone went off and answered without the full details. :rolleyes:

Sorry, forgot about partners. Yes, you are going to alert them so they don't start shooting free throws. And, in fact, you have the option of having one of your partners handle notifying the coach, etc.

But either way, if the crew is working like it should, getting signals before each free throw, etc. they'll see that you're taking care of some business and will hold the free throw administration until you are ready.

And W&S is correct. Apart from communicating with your crew it is notify the coach, time keeper, player.

I had read the OP to mean that there were no eligible substitutes that could replace the DQ'd player, and they'd have to continue with four. But I don't believe it matters which way you read it, the answer is still the same. Once the official is notified that the player has five fouls, we do not continue the game until we've taken care of all the proper notifications and the DQ'd player leaves the game. Normally that means a sub replaces him, but if the team is out of subs, you go on with fewer than five.

MY thoughts,

I believe this is a additional preference. Normally, when players have reached the foul limit; the table will sound the horn and put up his/her hand letting you know that the player has be DQ'ed. This is why its stated that the non-calling official notify the coach, instruct the timer to start the replacement clock and inform the player.

We normally go through the process because we reported the foul and is close to the table when notified.

If we do like the book guide us then all officials will be informed and no need to inform my partners; coach; table and player.

End of thoughts.

But it is very important to have that 20 second clock start and end prior to administering the FT. If the coach has a sub he CAN put in but does not do so in the prescribed time frame, the coach earns a T.

No sub was available due to remaining team members had already fouled out. Only 4 were still eligible to continue.

Last year, when I was doing scoreboard/timer, a situation like this happened. The floor officials had an official time-out, talked with both coaches & it was agreed by all parties to continue the game playing 4-on-4.

The game was a C-Squad game.

This is the wrong procedure. I had a game like this last week. Home team started with 7. One turned his ankle in the 2nd quarter and two fouled out in the fourth. Home finished the last couple minutes with 4 and won by about 8 or 9.

There isn't much to discuss here, except to inform the officials there are only 4 available players. In fact, by rule, the other coach cannot continue with less than 5 if he has 5 available. I understand this was "just" a C-squad game, but around here, it wouldn't matter what level it is.

Snaqwells, how is that the wrong procedure? Is there a rule/regulation in NFHS that the teams have to remain 5-on-5 throughout the game?

The incident I am talking about that I witnessed, it was the 4th quarter with only about 2 minutes left on the clock.

I am curious about this since having seen it happen, how it should of been handled. I know the rules are supposed to be strictly followed no matter it be a C-Squad game or a Varsity Game. (Unless the State/Local Association has different rules like sub-Varsity can wear light colored uniforms besides the white now required for Varsity)

Rule 3-1-1: Each team consists of five players, one of whom is the captain. Note: A team must begin the game with five players, but if it has no substitutes to replace disqualified or injured players, it must continue with fewer than five. When there is only one player participating for a team, the team shall forfeit the game, unless the referee believes that team has an opportunity to win the game.

Further, case play 3.1.1 addresses this situation directly:

After six players have been disqualified, Team A has only four who are eligible to continue in the game as players. In a gesture of fair play, the coach of Team B indicates a desire to withdraw a player so that each team will have four players on the court. RULLING: This is not permissible. Team B must have five players participating as long as it has that number available. If no substitute is available, a team must continue with fewer than five players.

Now, just an addendum, the NFHS has ruled that the white home uni requirement is for varsity contests only.