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CLH Tue Nov 17, 2009 09:55am

Drexel vs Niagra out of bounds play
 
I just got a phone call from a friend telling me that in the Drexel vs Niagra game a few minutes ago, the officials went to the monitor to determine who caused the ball to go out of bounds. Did anyone else see this? Did I miss a rule change this year that allowed that in the NCAA? I know the NBA now allows it with 2:00 remaining in the 4th, but to my knowledge this is not, nor has ever been allowed in the NCAA.

CLH

bob jenkins Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:13am

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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 636607)
I just got a phone call from a friend telling me that in the Drexel vs Niagra game a few minutes ago, the officials went to the monitor to determine who caused the ball to go out of bounds. Did anyone else see this? Did I miss a rule change this year that allowed that in the NCAA? I know the NBA now allows it with 2:00 remaining in the 4th, but to my knowledge this is not, nor has ever been allowed in the NCAA.

CLH


I don't think that's allowed -- but it's possible that they went to the monitor to correct a timing mistake.

CLH Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:19am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 636615)
I don't think that's allowed -- but it's possible that they went to the monitor to correct a timing mistake.

Agreed, I have done that, but reviewing an OOB is not allowed except the NBA. I'm getting second hand information, but I was just told they went back a second time on an out of bounds call. Two different people have called me with the same situation.

ranjo Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:12am

I saw the play. Drexel was trapped on their own end line following a throw-in. The Drexel player jumped into the air and attempted to throw the ball off a Niagra player. The ball definitely touched the Niagra player, but it wasn't clear, even on the replay, if it actually rebounded and touched the Drexel player last.

The lead came out with a strong call, but I was hoping the C could have offered some support or input since it happened on his side of the floor.

I had the sound muted on the TV and couldn't get it back on again in time to figure why the referee went to the monitor. By rule, I'm sure it had to be a possible timing correction.

MOofficial Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:24pm

Yes it was a timing mistake. They ran about 5 or 6 extra seconds off the clock.

CLH Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:13pm

Apparently there were 2 identical plays that happened...I was told there was no way in the world there was a timing error and the commentators said the officials were looking at the OOB. Anyone else hear the commentary?

Adam Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 636666)
Apparently there were 2 identical plays that happened...I was told there was no way in the world there was a timing error and the commentators said the officials were looking at the OOB. Anyone else hear the commentary?

Commentators rarely know what's going on when officials are reviewing the monitor.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by CLH (Post 636666)
and the commentators said

Well, that settles it. ;)

jeffpea Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:30pm

You are correct, CLH, there were two plays near the end of the game where officials went to the monitor.

The first play happened on the sidline near the Drexel bench when a foul was called on a Niagara player (around 1:30 or so left in the game). The officials went to the monitor to look at the # of the player fouled to make sure they had the correct shooter.

The second play happened during a trap on near the endline in Niagara's backcourt. The Niagara player tried to throw the ball off of a Drexel player while falling out of bounds. His throw hit the endline and bounced up and hit him. The officials correctly gave the ball to Drexel and used the monitor to add approx. 4 seconds back on the clock after it was not stopped properly (which was a little odd seeing as the crew was using PTS).

The announcers thought the officials were using the monitor in the first play to see who was the last to touch the ball - which didn't matter because of the foul that was called.

As we all know, never trust what the announcer says or the "facts" when it comes to "second-hand information".....

Adam Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:34pm

Would it be fair to say that if the officials went to the monitor to determine whom the ball hit last before going OOB that it would be their last game for that assigner?

CLH Tue Nov 17, 2009 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 636677)
Would it be fair to say that if the officials went to the monitor to determine whom the ball hit last before going OOB that it would be their last game for that assigner?

HAHA, If I'm the assignor then yes, that would be a fair assumption espcially if they had done it twice!! ;)

JRutledge Tue Nov 17, 2009 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea (Post 636676)
You are correct, CLH, there were two plays near the end of the game where officials went to the monitor.

The first play happened on the sidline near the Drexel bench when a foul was called on a Niagara player (around 1:30 or so left in the game). The officials went to the monitor to look at the # of the player fouled to make sure they had the correct shooter.

The second play happened during a trap on near the endline in Niagara's backcourt. The Niagara player tried to throw the ball off of a Drexel player while falling out of bounds. His throw hit the endline and bounced up and hit him. The officials correctly gave the ball to Drexel and used the monitor to add approx. 4 seconds back on the clock after it was not stopped properly (which was a little odd seeing as the crew was using PTS).

The announcers thought the officials were using the monitor in the first play to see who was the last to touch the ball - which didn't matter because of the foul that was called.

As we all know, never trust what the announcer says or the "facts" when it comes to "second-hand information".....

There was a foul called? Granted I was doing some other things, but I thought there was just an out of bounds call. It was obvious to me that they were putting time on the clock. I never listen to announcers about what happens in a game.

I remember a few days ago the officials called a substitution timeout and the dumb announcers said they called a travel. And when they gave the ball back to the same team, the announcers never corrected the mistake. Listening to them is like expecting monkey to answer the ESPN Trivia questions right half the time.

Peace

Adam Tue Nov 17, 2009 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 636721)
There was a foul called? Granted I was doing some other things, but I thought there was just an out of bounds call. It was obvious to me that they were putting time on the clock. I never listen to announcers about what happens in a game.

I remember a few days ago the officials called a substitution timeout and the dumb announcers said they called a travel. And when they gave the ball back to the same team, the announcers never corrected the mistake. Listening to them is like expecting monkey to answer the ESPN Trivia questions right half the time.

Peace

And everyone knows the best a monkey can do is 25% on the ESPN Trivia questions.

sseltser Tue Nov 17, 2009 03:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 636721)

I remember a few days ago the officials called a substitution timeout and the dumb announcers said they called a travel. And when they gave the ball back to the same team, the announcers never corrected the mistake.
Peace

I remember this happening too. It was near the end of a Syracuse game that they won easily. I was going to bring it up here, but figured nobody saw it. The official who was running by Syr's bench did signal a travel. I'm thinking that maybe Jimmy Boeheim said something like "call a travel so I can get my walk-ons in" because he didn't want to take a time out. Any thoughts on this? Can time-outs be shortened in NCAA-M?

Still, you're right, the announcers never admitted a mistake. Of course it was under 2 minutes in a 20+ point blowout.

Adam Tue Nov 17, 2009 03:56pm

Some officials use the travel signal for a substitution timeout. I think they were volleyball officials in another life or something.


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