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PIAA REF Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:25am

Whistle on Subs?
 
What is correct? What do you do? I have heard arguments for both having a whistle to bring in subs and also not having on if horn is sounded. I think it is in NFHS maual or rule book about having a whistle on subs, but I am not sure if state associations differ on this.

Let me know what you all think.

Thanks

Indianaref Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:40am

I believe the "book" says that the R should discuss this with the Timer in pregame. I like to have a horn and if you also whistle, that's ok too.

dsqrddgd909 Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:46am

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Originally Posted by PIAA REF (Post 636387)
What is correct? What do you do? I have heard arguments for both having a whistle to bring in subs and also not having on if horn is sounded. I think it is in NFHS maual or rule book about having a whistle on subs, but I am not sure if state associations differ on this.

Let me know what you all think.

Thanks

Manual 2.4.5 F 2 "Sound his/her whistle...". Not sure what our associations' policies are here in MI.

bob jenkins Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:51am

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Originally Posted by PIAA REF (Post 636387)
What is correct? What do you do? I have heard arguments for both having a whistle to bring in subs and also not having on if horn is sounded. I think it is in NFHS maual or rule book about having a whistle on subs, but I am not sure if state associations differ on this.

Let me know what you all think.

Thanks


It's not in the rules book, and state associations do differ on this.

chartrusepengui Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:52am

last several clinics I have been to have all said to whistle in every sub. I have gotten in the habit of doing so. While at times it does seem redundant, I have found that it does keep the players at the table until I beckon and whistle instead of them taking off on the buzzer.

Indianaref Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:06am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 636394)
It's not in the rules book, and state associations do differ on this.

You're right, this is not in the book. Our state assoc wants you to discuss this with the timer in pregame.

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:30am

Whatever you decide to do, be consistent with it throughout the crew and the entire game.

Personally, I prefer the whistle. I feel it accomplishes two things. First, it sends the message to everyone that the official is in charge, not the horn. Second, it alerts my partners to hang on because I've got something. This second point is more important for a late arriving, additional sub than the first sub, obviously.

JRutledge Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:37am

Whatever the people you work for and with say is acceptable, do that. ;)

Peace

M&M Guy Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 636416)
Whatever the people you work for and with say is acceptable, do that. ;)

Peace

Words to live by, in all facets of life.

You are wise beyond your years.

(Well, except for that love of Michigan thing... :D )

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:28pm

I usually just whistle at the female coaches - and some of the moms. :rolleyes:

grunewar Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:34pm

As someone who just recently moved into the V ranks, I was told that blowing the whistle was "redundant" and to let the table sound the horn.

My reply to that was always, "The reason I did it, and still do sometimes, is at below V level, the table is usually not that good and doesn't sound the horn, therefore the whistle is needed."

Took some getting used to.

I like what some of the others have said too.

Bottom line, as was said, "When in Rome...."

PIAA REF Mon Nov 16, 2009 01:47pm

Manual
 
this is in the manual so shouldn't it be followed?

JRutledge Mon Nov 16, 2009 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by PIAA REF (Post 636444)
this is in the manual so shouldn't it be followed?

Not everyone uses the same manual. And all things in the manual are not to be used blindly.

Peace

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 16, 2009 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PIAA REF (Post 636444)
this is in the manual so shouldn't it be followed?

Yep. The manual should be our bible. Unless local adaptations are mandated. Or the "crew chief" says we're going to do it differently on that game.

AKOFL Mon Nov 16, 2009 06:02pm

We make it a race with the scorer/timer. If I get to my whistle first he better not have a horn. If he gets to the horn first, I am sleeping on the job and get substitution seconds. helps me keep in mind the table/subs at each stopage in play. Here they want a whistle on all subs.


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