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cford Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:12am
Rule 7-5-4-b.....Designated OOB nearest the foul
 
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7-5-4 ART. 4 . . . Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in nearest the foul:
a. After a player-control foul, as in 4-19-6; a team-control foul, as in 4-19-7; or after a common foul prior to the bonus rule being in effect, as in 4-19-2, any player of the offended team shall make the throw-in.

b. After an intentional foul, as in 4-19-3, or a flagrant personal foul, as in 4-19-4, any player from the team to whom the free throws have been awarded shall make the throw-in.
Does anyone know why this doesn't say "intentional personal foul"? Is it just a mistake or is there a reason that I am missing?

mbyron Sat Oct 17, 2009 07:36am
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Originally Posted by cford (Post 631304)
Does anyone know why this doesn't say "intentional personal foul"? Is it just a mistake or is there a reason that I am missing?
Not a mistake. Any player may make the throw-in after any kind of intentional foul, so there's no reason to narrow the scope.

BillyMac Sat Oct 17, 2009 09:31am
Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in nearest the foul ...
 
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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 631316)
Not a mistake. Any player may make the throw-in after any kind of intentional foul, so there's no reason to narrow the scope.
Don't lose track that the prelude leading up to the b portion of this article is, "Designated out-of-bounds spot throw-in nearest the foul". After an intentional foul during a dead ball, which would be a technical foul, the ball would be inbounded, not at the closest spot, but at the division line opposite the table.

cford may have a good point here, maybe it should say intentional personal foul, not just intentional foul? Not a bad catch for a guy with only 150 posts.

bob jenkins Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:58am
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Originally Posted by cford (Post 631304)
Does anyone know why this doesn't say "intentional personal foul"? Is it just a mistake or is there a reason that I am missing?
In the 2006-2007 book, the similar section does say "intentional personal or flagrant personal" foul.

When it was rewritten in 2007-08, it must have been dropped -- and it sure seems like an oversight.

BillyMac Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:10am
There's No I In Team ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 631331)
In the 2006-2007 book, the similar section does say "intentional personal or flagrant personal" foul. When it was rewritten in 2007-08, it must have been dropped, and it sure seems like an oversight.
Good catch by cford, and a good followup by bob jenkins. Excellent teamwork. You guys would make a good tag team. Too bad that Captain Lou Albano just passed away, or I'm sure that he would want to manage both of you.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...ics/albano.jpg

Back In The Saddle Sat Oct 17, 2009 02:03pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 631325)
Not a bad catch for a guy with only 150 posts.
Maybe he's just too busy hitting the books to post? ;)

just another ref Sat Oct 17, 2009 07:59pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 631331)
In the 2006-2007 book, the similar section does say "intentional personal or flagrant personal" foul.

When it was rewritten in 2007-08, it must have been dropped -- and it sure seems like an oversight.
Or better yet, let the term intentional refer only to personal fouls, when it makes a difference. A technical foul is a technical foul, and carries its own penalty, whether it was intentional or not.


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