Substitution Question
 

During the administration of technical foul free throws, can substitutes enter the game or do they have to wait until after the second free throw since the ball is dead regardless?

Substitutes are permitted during any dead ball when the clock is stopped, unless specifically prohibited by rule.
There is no rule which prohibits substitutions from taking place prior to the awarding of both technical foul FTs, between them, or following them.

There is a rule which restricts substitutions prior to just before the final FTs when multiple FTs are awarded for PERSONAL fouls, but that rule wouldn't apply to a technical foul.

I assumed since the purpose of the rule seems to be to minimize substitutions that we would only allow subs after the 2nd FT since it would be a dead ball. However, as pointed out, I see nothing to support this. All I see deals with personal fouls - not Ts.

The rules state that any sub can shoot a technical. To shoot the technical, they would have to to sub before the first shot.

This kind of implies a sub could happen at any time, I think. See section 8-3:

8-3
The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any
player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter.
The coach or captain shall designate the free thrower(s).

Just out of curiosity, could you sub between the first and second shot and have different guys shoot the two shots? I don't think this is prohibited by rule, is it?

Completely legal. Note the rule says "thrower(s)". And the part of the rule just before it indicates that the thrower can be a sub.

It can also be a good thing to allow the coach to remove the guilty party as soon as possible in the event of a T.

Allowed in FED; prohibited in NCAA.

Another Sub question.

Can a sub be removed immediately after he's entered the game if the clock has not yet been restarted?

Can be removed anytime. The part about the clock being properly started is for a replaced player returning to the game.

Mregor

I see. In which case, I take it the replaced player cannot return until the clock has been restarted?

Yes.

When The Forum Speaks, Officials Listen ...
 

There may be an exception involving the team having to play with less than five players with the substitute on the bench, i.e. one of the six eligible players getting injured after the first of two free throws, before the clock has started. I don't have I citation. I believe that I heard it here on the Forum. It may have been an annual interpretation.

You remember correctly. A player who has been subbed out may, before the clock has properly started, return to the game in the event that something occurs to cause the team to have less then 5 players on the court (injury, illness, DQ, etc.) and there are no other subs available.

Citation Please ???
 

Camron Rust: Thanks for the confirmation. Got a citation?

Not directly, but these two lead to that conclusion.

NFHS Rule 3-1-1 Each team consists of five players, one of whom is the captain. NOTE: A team must begin the game with five players, but if it has no substitutes to replace disqualified or injured players, it must continue with fewer than five. When there is only one player participating for a team, the team shall forfeit the game, unless the referee believes that team has an opportunity to win the game.

3.2 SITUATION B: A1, who is designated as a starter 10 minutes prior to the scheduled starting time of the game, becomes ill or is injured before the game starts.

RULING: A1 may be replaced without penalty as illness or injury is considered to be an extenuating and unavoidable situation which permits a substitution.

Ok, BillyMac, I'll post the play rulings as usual, but someday when I'm gone you're going to have to find yourself another elephant. ;)

2008-09 NFHS Case Book
*8.2 SITUATION B: A1 is fouled and will be shooting two free throws. After A1’s first free-throw attempt, B6 (Team B’s only remaining eligible substitute) replaces B2. A1’s second free-throw attempt is unsuccessful. During rebounding action for
A1’s missed second free-throw attempt, and before the clock starts, A1 pushes B3
in the back causing B3 to roll an ankle. Team B is in the bonus. B3 is unable to
immediately continue playing. Team B requests and is granted a time out in order
to allow B3 to recover from the ankle injury so as to remain in the game. B3 is still
not able to play after the time out has ended. RULING: B2 may return to the game
and replace B3 and shoot B3’s free throw attempts despite having been replaced
since he/she is the only available substitute. (3-3-4)

2006-07 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations
SITUATION 11: A1 is injured during a play in which he/she was fouled. As a result, A1 cannot attempt the awarded free throws. A6 replaces A1 and attempts the free throws, which are successful. Team A then calls a time-out. At the conclusion of the time-out, (a) A1 is ready to play, or (b) A7 replaces A6. RULING: In (a), A1 may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has properly started. Legal substitution in (b); A6 may leave the game at any time. Substitution restrictions only apply to being withdrawn and attempting to re-enter without the clock properly starting. (8-2; 3-3-4)

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS
SITUATION 13: Technical foul shooter A1 attempts the first free throw and substitute A6 attempts the second. RULING: Legal. Technical foul free throws may be attempted by any player or eligible substitute. Therefore, two different players may attempt the throws. (8-3)

An Elephant Never Forgets ...
 

He meant what he said, and he said what he meant. An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent. (Apologies to Dr. Seuss)

Nevadaref: Thanks. 8.2 SITUATION B nails it for me.

You can't expect Billy to go all the way back to last year to find an interp.

Otherwise known as the MTD Sr. case play. :D