NF Swinging Elbows Signal

[Self]

Your below quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I noticed you didn't ask her about the situation where a punch is thrown but no contact is made. By rule, there's no way this can be called a personal foul. It has to be a technical. I don't care what her title is, if she can't understand that, then she's in the wrong job.

I already agreed with you in my previous post. So I didn't need to ask. I new that this was correct....

[i]As far as the swing and miss being a flagrant personal. I was incorrect in saying this. Since no contact, I would deem this as live ball unsportsmanlike behavior(instigating a fight)and call a flagrant technical, the follwing swing by B1 would recieve the same. The lack of contact makes the difference on if call a flagrant personal.....[/B]

As far as your below quote:

[i]She most certainly should make editorial changes to 10-3-10 if she wants a personal foul called for fighting. Solidify the rule to match the interps in the case book and things will work fine.[/B]

I will write something up and summit it.... I also just received the interpretation back from the state interpreter. He agreed with NFHS on live ball flagrant personal, dead ball flagrant techincal. He stated that 10-3-10 is stating, as I said earlier that fighting is a technical(non contact fighting), but you have to use all the rules to make your judgement. Those other rules being being 4-19-4&5. These clarify live and dead ball contact or non contact. A swing and a miss can be deemed fighting, no contact though so it is a technical. He said it should be added to 10-3-10, but it was always interpretted to be there, by use of previous rules.




[Edited by Self on Jul 30th, 2002 at 04:04 PM]