NF Swinging Elbows Signal

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Self
I still do not constitute a fight by one person swinging.

I can't really disagree with anything that you've said EXCEPT the statement above. it's a direct contradiction of the rule. "Fighting includes an attempt to strike, punch or kick an opponent with a fist, hands, arms, legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made." As I stated earlier, this clearly states that one person swinging at another is fighting. Nothing else is required.

If a A1 from behind turns and hits a B1 in the back during live ball. I am calling a Flagrant personal foul. If nothing else happens we will shoot two free throws and bring the ball in at point of foul.

You're not going to eject A1? But if B1 turns around and swings, you're going to eject him. Or am I misunderstanding you?

1.) Now A1 has a technical, a second and he is ejected, and has to sit out two games.

See, there's a difference. In NC, we don't suspend a player just because he gets a 2nd technical. He must fight, use profanity against an opponent or official, taunt or bait, make an obscene gesture, or disrespectfully address or contact an official. You're in GA, correct? Would they suspend a player who got 2 T's for hanging on the rim?

This is what I was trying to stress. I do see the confusion in the way this is written though. I guess though I will fall back to 4-19-5c, This says a flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead is a technical. So during live ball I am calling flagrant personal, and dead ball flagrant technical.

And that's fine. And I agree that when officials call a T for some other live ball foul, they are incorrect. But hopefully, you can see that if someone else chose to call a T for fighting during a live ball, they would be within the rules.