somewhat OT - what's wrong with the coaches at this school?
 

A story in the local paper this morning reported that three HS football coaches (one head coach and two of his assistants) were cited by Portland police for disorderly conduct and they were driven to detox by the police. The three coach at Portland's Lincoln HS.

This is the third incident this year involving Lincoln coaches. In February, boys basketball coach David Adelman (son of former NBA player and coach Rick Adelman) was cited for DUI for the second time since 2005. The baseball coach, Michael Todd, resigned in April after he allegedly accompanied three of his HS players to an adult entertainment venue in San Francisco while at a baseball tournament.

Gee - I'm glad I don't live in that school district. If you were a parent, would you feel good about your kid playing sports at that school?

Some people just don't get......and never will.

But you forgot to mention: Are they at least winning a lot of games? :rolleyes:

Strange that these guys can do this stuff and keep coaching kids at the HS level while we have a thread going about what there could be in a guy's background that should prevent him from coaching kids.

Mark,

I dug out the local fish wrap when I got home this evening and read the whole article. There appears to be more to the whole situation than meets the eye - will be interested to see how it pans out......

It was the lead story on the 5:00 local news. Ya' know, one of the other situations, the DUIs for David Adelman, really floored me, because I remember reffing him when he was just a little kid. I guess ya' never know.

It gets worse
 

It was reported this morning that the girls V basketball coach at Portland's Jesuit HS (a private, not public, school) resigned after her second DUI arrest in less than a year! Now here's the ironic part - her name is Kathy Adelman and she's David Adelman's sister! (see OP above)

She became head coach at this school in 1995. They've reached the playoffs 14 consecutive seasons (in Oregon, private and public schools play in the same conferences and playoffs) and won four league titles. In 2003 and 2007 they reached the state championship game in the largest school (Class 6A) tournament.

Oh yeah - two of those three Lincoln HS football coaches pleaded guilty to interfering with police. All three of them have been suspended with pay by the school district.

it's the part about Kathy Adelman that bugs me the most. And I gotta wonder why it wasn't in the news earlier like the one about David Adelman was. Did Jesuit cover it up? Or what? I didn't like the way she screeched at the refs all the way through her games (the shrillest, most obnoxious coach I've ever been yelled at by), but she was a good coach, and her girls really liked her. It's all just too sad for words.

~sigh~
 

Juulie your ignorance is showing again.

Jesuit does not have the ability to "cover-up" legal processes. Your witch hunt will not go very far.

People here don't really care about the Jesuit hating that goes on in our local area.

Remember ESPN rated Jesuit as the second best high school athletic program in the nation.

Tim, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a Jesuit hater at all. And I'm not on a witch hunt. I wasn't implying an ability to "cover-up" legal processes. I was wondering more about the Oregonian's not printing something. That's all.

Now I'm wondering about your paranoia, maybe?

Not sure what you're referring to. I've worked several of her games over the years, including a few playoff games. I don't recall her ever saying much at all.

Again Juulie:
 

You really don't get it.

The Boreagonian quite quickly jumps on anything that makes headlines.

The paper simply printed the information when it was received. They (The Bore) didn't hesitate on either of the two arrests and you should also recognize that her brother's was also headlines as soon as it was officially reported.

You are the one that said: "Did Jesuite cover it up?"

Cripes.

How would you know how much she screeched? . . . oh yeah, after your JV game you probably stayed to watch the varsity officials.

Meow. :D

I have known teacher/coaches to get DUIs around here and keep their jobs. I think it depends on the school and the situation. DUIs are not automatic firing situations for most people so I would not expect anything different to be for coaches. Not that might be an issue for each community, but a coach keeping their job after a violation is not unusual from what I have seen.

Peace

I "don't get it?" Don't get what??

I didn't see either of her arrests in the Oregonian. I read it every day. Maybe I just missed it. Her brother's arrests were both on the front page of the sports section, but I didn't see either of hers. Yes, I asked if Jesuit covered it up. It was a question, wondering whether they tried to keep it out of the paper. Just a question, not an indictment or an implication.

"Cripes??" Does that really deserve a "Cripes?"

How do I know how much she screeched?? I did one of her games (yes, varsity) and I also heard her screeching at other refs at games I was watching.

I guess I don't understand why you're jumping on me. Why the insinuations that I wouldn't really know how she treated refs? And what's wrong with staying to watch a varsity game after I work JV?

I'm baffled why you're being so belligerent to me...

Well, you are a very good ref, Camron. The one game of hers I reffed, I was probably in over my head, and I know it's just her voice, but it was really annoying.

You had said...

I didn't like the way she screeched at the refs all the way through her games

appearing to me that you were saying that was her typical behavior.

You seem to be most upset that she appears, based only on you not seeing the article about her, to have gotten special treatment. Just becasue you didn't see it didn't mean it didn't get reported. What gets reported, more often than not, depends on what else is in the news that week. If there was some big event, her story probably got pushed to the last page. It is even possible that if there were enough bigger stories, the editor would choose to drop such a story.

Wow.

Nice shot there, Tim C. :rolleyes:

It's interesting how opinions about a person can be influenced by something as small as a b!tchy comment they post about someone else on an officials discussion board.

Not sure you won very many fan points by posting a comment like that.

He does not care about who is a fan of his. His posting style might offend some people, but IMO he is well worth listening to when it comes to baseball umpiring.

It has appeared to me that it is her typical behavior. In any game of hers that I've either reffed (1 game) or watched, many or most of her comments to the refs were said at high pitch and high volume. Reffing that game, I found it extremely annoying. However, I also said, that I thought she was a good coach, and I appreciated the way she related to her girls. I was commenting on one small flaw that I see in her, and two large strengths.

Also, you're right that the stories about her DUII's might have been printed and I missed them. It just seems odd to me that the David Adelman stories both got printed on the front page of the sports section, and that although I see the paper every day, I never saw either of hers.

It wasn't meant as a witch hunt (I know you didn't say that, Camron), a denigration or compliment to the Oregonian or to Jesuit. It was a wonderment. There might be a really great explanation, there might be a really shameful one. There might be a quite flimsy one. It was just a comment that when I saw the part of the article Mark referenced, I was surprised to read about Kathy Adelman-Naro's DUII's. I just wondered why it either hadn't been printed or I hadn't noticed it.

I still don't see why anyone is jumping down my throat about it.

~Sigh~
 

Actually my opinions about Ms Downs have been established by the (dis)advantage of actually watching her work games. I have also read all of her articles on this website.

My view of Ms Downs have never been hidden as I commented concerning some of her actions, philosophies and activities in my former column on this site.

In my opinion Downs clearly tried to insinuate that some how a local high school had tried to cover up this illegal activity.

The original OP HOWEVER was spot on about the one school who has continued to have inappropriate behavior from many on the coaching staff.

LOL!! Well, I've never claimed to be any more than a very mediocre ref. I also am a lousy cook, own an ugly house, and have a face only a mother could love.

And I (at one time) had read all of yours.

Yep, you've always been very upfront about your opinions about pretty much everything...
Thank you for acknowledging that it's your inference, rather than my implication. I can see how you might have mis-interpreted what I said, but once I stated clearly that "insinuation" wasn't my intention, I think you could have backed off a little. (Wow, lots if words in those sentences that start with I!)

Yea, and about another coach from a different school who had inappropriate behavior. Over the years, in various parts of the Portland area, there have been coaches in different schools caught in behavior that reflects badly on them and their school. It's always sad.

I still don't see what any of that has to do with my reffing abilities.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Oh...OK. I get it. You don't like the way a person refs games, so that means you can be a total a$$ towards her.

Great.

Good to know.

Instead of trying to help the person become a "better" official, you just take cheap shots at them on the forum.

Interesting way of dealing with things. Must be a "Portland" thing.:rolleyes:

Rocky
 

Come across the river to Hooters and have a sandwhich:

We can discuss the "reasons" that I have landed straight in Juulie's soup.

She made several errors in her post on this subject: I did NOTHING wrong and just may have accidentally exposed some of her obvious weaknesses.

I have dug my own hole. Many years ago I asked in this section: "If you went to a game and watched one of the posters worked a game and they were terrible would you post that review."

Somehow Officiating sites won't allow truth to be the best defense.

And I would much rather live in Portland than Vantucky.

Regards,

Funny...there's no Tim C listed in the PBOA directory. Maybe I should have looked for a name starting with Dick...

Hey Dick:
 

I have never stated that I am a PBOA member.

Keep up to speed if you want to participate.

You have proved my point about truth as a defense.

Regards,

A little of the baseball forum's snarkiness over here in basketball territory...

Hey, Tim, it's okay. Flame away. I hope it's helping you somehow. But I do think it's not relevant to the thread, and perhaps you should take it elsewhere.

When I started this thread, I was sure it would deteriorate into a "let's put down Juulie" discussion. Sheesh. I've worked games with her and they were most enjoyable. I consider her a "buddy". And as to her face, I must be her mother. :)

Juulie - I wish you would contact Bruce about working our rec league. I'm sure he won't schedule you with ABC if you ask him not to do so. ;)

Well, at least we share that in common - I would rather you lived in Portland than over here also.:cool:

http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif

That was a good one.

Hehehehe
 

Well played Rocko!

Even I laughed at that one.

:p

who cares?
 

How come it doesn't make the news if a referee -at any level- gets a DUI? Could it be because nobody gives a rats @ss? Nor should we care. Does anyone honestly (having took a look around the room, forget that;) ) believe that getting a DUI makes someone a bad person? Is there a connection between getting a DUI and not being suitable to coach?

Alcoholism is a disease, but a person need not drink like an alcoholic to make some bad decisions and end up getting a DUI. If a guy gets a DUI, no matter his occupation, that's his business. Most people learn their lesson, they get help. If it becomes a pattern, that becomes different. If it involves others, like destruction of property, or killing or injuring innocents, that's different.

Why in the world any fool would leap to a conclusion that a DUI conviction should lead to not being able to work in one's chosen profession is baffling to me. Wait, what? Nobody said that, close but not exactly? Well then, in that case, I almost offer my apology, not exactly, but close.

I believe this year, maybe last, a Jefferson County, Washington sheriff's deputy has been suspended from duty and arrested with a DUI after he arrived at work appearing to be intoxicated. This guy is really pushing his luck. Should he be offered rehab? Or should it be zero tollerance for LEO's?

George W Bush has a DUI on his record. Other that some lunatic fringe liberals, I don't recall that blemish being offered as doubt that he should be the President.

VP Dick Cheney has 2 arrests for DUI on his record. Didn't seem to hurt him much.

New York Yankees pitcher Joba Chamberlain was cited October 18, 2007 for DUI in Lancaster County, Nebraska. Anyone think he shouldn't be allowed to play MLB?

A basketball referee in Anywhere USA got his 2nd DUI yesterday. It went unreported in all major news papers. Nobody cared except his family and his wallet. He will be refereeing games tonight if he can get a ride to the gym. He is still a quality referee despite the unrelated DUI

A basketball coach at XYZ High School in A Town Near You USA, got his 2nd DUI last week. He is now scorned and looked down upon as a complete loser. The Town, the State, and the referees, are outraged that this pathetic excuse of a man can still be employed as a coach at XYZ High School. "He is supposed to be seting an example!" Meanwhile, star guard Bobby Taylors Dad is still assigned as Bobby's Dad, despite his DUI conviction. And XYZ High's Principal is still the principal despite his 2nd DUI in 5 years.

Role Model ???
 

bbcoach7,

Coaches at high schools tell their athletes they have to agree to and sign a code of conduct. If the student violates that code, they are suspended or kicked off the team. Why should the coach be treated any different than the athletes he/she is supposed to lead???

bb7 -- DUI is illegal. It's dangerous and stupid. A coach is expected to be an example to his or her players not only in the school and team setting, but also in everyday life. I would expect the same kind of standard from any teacher with my kids. That person has made a very wrong decision, and needs to be held accountable.

And although there wasn't much that Bush did that I agreed with, I didn't have a problem with his DUII's because they were in the far past, and he'd shown that he'd grown past that stage of his life. Any coach should also be held to that standard. The DUI's we're talking about on this thread are quite recent.

Because the coach didn't sign a code of conduct. Because it's not illegal for the coach to drink alcohol. Because the coach is an adult.

...but it IS illegal for the coach to drink and drive, and that's what they got in trouble for, not just for drinking at a party and then sleeping it off -- drinking and driving.

The coach signed a contract with the school district that most certainly DOES contain ethics clauses...the coach DID do something illegal when he/she drank and got behind the wheel of an automobile...the coach needs to ACT like an adult.

Land Of Steady Habits ???
 

Athletes' Parents Want Party Policy Changed | NBC Connecticut

This is not about the same town that I posted about above. What's going on here in the "Land of Steady habits"? Will the rest of America think that our high school students, especially our high school athletes, are a bunch of drunks that can't follow athletic codes of conduct?

Because coaches (sometimes at least) also drive the team bus.

Because coaches are far more "role models" for players than are officials.

Because coaches' names are more known to the editors of the local papers, so when the editor scans the police blotter it stands out and, thus, becomes a story.

Update
 

Two of the three football coaches completed eight hours of community service yesterday by picking up trash in downtown Portland.

Were they wearing orange jumpsuits or bibs/vests that showed them off? :D

Great point. There is enough influences on young people already. All of us need to set the highest possible examples.

I am assigning this year at the college level. Any of the people that work games for me have personal legal problems borne from poor judgment and they are done. I dropped 4 from the inherited roster based on this. I have also asked them to not be seen drinking any alcohol anywhere in the towns they work in after games. Character and its perception is of paramout importance in our business.

It is more important by an order of magnitude for coaches and school administrators.

It's very interesting to me that 30 years ago when I started all this officiating stuff we measured the length of a road trip by the amount of beer we needed to buy for the drive home.

My how so much has changed over the years! I truely would not even consider drinking after a game if I had to drive anywhere after. Once I am back in my hotel room, I will have a night cap.

My first games were 23 years ago. We'd have the first round cracked open before we left the school parking lot.

Times have changed -- for the better in this regard.

I always drink an entire bottle before leaving the gym parking lot. Of course, I drink Diet Dr. Pepper. ;)

I'm not sure if you being overcaffinated would be a good thing or not! :D

Having read all the posts after mine
 

I am impressed. Very thoughtful and considerate answers. I thought at least one of you would whack me, and tell me to shut up and sit down.

The result to me is that I agree with you. I thought maybe some of you were just being weenies because you hate coaches at a cellular level. While that may still be true, you still didn't make me into road kill. Thanks

Juuulie, if you're reading this... I'd still like to read the piece you wrote on female athletes I asked you about a long time ago. I just don't want to pay $25 to read it.

Update
 

It was reported in this morning's newspaper that the all three of the coaches are out of a job for at least a year. They were also offered the option of resigning and the two assistant coaches (who are brothers) did just that. The head coach is having his attorney speak to the school district about the situation before he decides what he'll do. He said something about the whole thing being blown out of proportion because this school's coaches have a bad reputation.

Update to the update
 

It was reported this morning that the head coach was "relieved of his duties" (read: "fired") as head coach. However, he still can retain his job as a security officer at that school. Go figure.