Hello from JB Caldwell Camp - Page 4

Larks · #46 (**permalink**) Wed Jul 24, 2002, 03:43pm

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Originally posted by BBarnaky
Just for the record, JB is like a mentor to me and mentors and tutors so many others in their officiating careers. I have the utmost respect for him and what he is all about. Absolutely on of the few people that I can count on one hand that I absolutely and totally respect for what he stands for and does. He's not perfect, nor am I or anyone else for that matter, but he is one if not the most genuine individual I know in basketball officiating.

Thanks for listening to my response of this unfair and NOT constructive criticism. I don't understand why anyone would post on this board and talk bad about other officials. We are all one big "family/fraternity" no matter what level we are at and we all represent each other. Its no wonder why officials don't get treated with respect due to the lack of respect officials give to each other and the constant bad mouthing that takes place.

Enjoy the journey.

BB....very well said. - Larks

JRutledge · #47 (**permalink**) Wed Jul 24, 2002, 05:37pm

Very well said.

Peace

Doc Lane · #48 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:36am

Your quote below shows you obviously had a good experience regarding J.B....

[QUOTEJust for the record, JB is like a mentor to me and mentors and tutors so many others in their officiating careers. [/QUOTE]

YOUR quite below may be why we really don't get treated with respect. I made a comment on how I was treated and how I felt. It was not bad mouthing. This is the impression I was given in the two times I have seen J.B. He came across very cocky full of himself.I wanted to see if others besides people I know personally had the same experience or if I may have just caught him on two bad days. Don't read into it more than that. Also just because someones opinion is differnet than yours, doesn't make it wrong. Its all in your own perspective. Maybe thats why we don't get respect, because all of us don't value others opinions, just because they are different than our own.

[QUOTEThanks for listening to my response of this unfair and NOT constructive criticism. I don't understand why anyone would post on this board and talk bad about other officials. We are all one big "family/fraternity" no matter what level we are at and we all represent each other. Its no wonder why officials don't get treated with respect due to the lack of respect officials give to each other and the constant bad mouthing that takes place.[/QUOTE]

So I hope I am clear to you now... Thanks...

ChuckElias · #49 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 08:58am

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Originally posted by Doc Lane
I made a comment on how I was treated and how I felt. It was not bad mouthing.

No offense, Doc, but here is the comment you made:

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Were they all able to fit in the room even with J.B.'s big head?

Now you may have meant it tongue-in-cheek, but whatever you intended, it is not a comment on how you were treated and how you felt. This is a barely-veiled insult (unless, as I said, you said it jokingly and we all missed the point). If your comment is not bad-mouthing, I don't know what would fit that description. So I don't think you can try to claim the high road here. Publicly saying that this official or that guy is conceited or whatever is inappropriate. As always, just my opinion.

Chuck

Doc Lane · #50 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 09:44am

Chuck I should have used the smiley face, since it was meant tongue and cheek. To be honest it was also a feeler to see if some would come running to J.B's defense. Probably a bad way to do it... For that I apologize.

As far as J.B goes my impression in the few times I have run across him is not good, as a I said previously. An item I heard about the camp that went along with my thoughts was the way J.B handled his into and control of camp. I was told by several campers that he was very short with people and would only allow people to applaude his clinicians when he told them they could and only when he chopped his hand like chopping the clock. He also told them how many claps each person would get. Sounded pretty much like a control freak, for lack of a better word.

As with my experience as far as rules goes, when he was wrong about the situation in my case he wouldn't admit it, and in fact told me I was wrong, when he in fact was wrong. When I took the rule book to show him, I even did it privately to not embarrass him in front of others, he blew me off and tried to weasel out of it.

So needless to say I don't have ha good impression, and wanted to see what others felt......

ScottParks · #51 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 02:19pm

You guys say that the camp is word of mouth. Is there a website where I can read about it?

Larks · #52 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 02:26pm

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Originally posted by ScottParks
You guys say that the camp is word of mouth. Is there a website where I can read about it?

The dont have a website. You can reach JB Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ in Daytona Beach Florida. Or e-mail me at [email protected] and I'll give you JB's e-mail address.

BBarnaky · #53 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 04:45pm

ScottParks, I always have camp brochures for the camp as well. So next summer I will post something again to remind all who is interested.........

Just a follow up to the earlier disccussion:

The clap/applause thing done at the Daytona camp is a tradition that was started and if an individual understood that, one would be enlightened that is has nothing to do with a "controlling" nature but just something that the specific camp does that is different.

It still amazes me when a person is wrong they don't want to own up to it and apologize but instead defend their remarks for what they did based on one experience and other people's hearsay information. I would just say, "you know what I goofed up I apologize I could have handled the situation differently." Oh well. Enough said.

Not all of us can be objective, look in the mirror, and be honest when one makes a mistake or, when watching tape screws up a rule, a situation, or misses a play. This is no different than the earlier critical comments made in this thread.

Doc Lane · #54 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 05:42pm

QUOTE]Originally posted by Doc Lane
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[B]Chuck I should have used the smiley face, since it was meant tongue and cheek. To be honest it was also a feeler to see if some would come running to J.B's defense. Probably a bad way to do it... For that I apologize.
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If you try reading you might see I did apologize. As far as owning up. I did.... I posted in a way that was inappropriate and I appologized, so mister high almighty, what do you have to say now.

As far as one experience,WHO SAID ONE, read again BABAbanaky I said the FEW TIMES, so that would be more than one. Also it was a few, again more than one people that told me directly about their experience. So not hearsay by one person.

Sorry that some may have a different opinion than you. Again, mine and their impression was not good. Wanted to see how others felt. I respect your feelings and thoughts about J.B. Sorry you can't do the same for others..

Jurassic Referee · #55 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:02pm

Larksy,glad to hear you had a great camp,enjoyed yourself, and learned some things and met some people that might help you in your future officiating career.That's all that matters.

Woody

JRutledge · #56 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:30pm

The man has the right to not like the camp. If he had a bad experience, it does not mean that everyone did. His comments might have been out there, but he does not have to agree that everything the camp had to offer was positive. It might help the next person to decide if they wanted to attend the camp. Not really that big of a deal.

Peace

BBarnaky · #57 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:43pm

Enough said. JRutledge he didn't attend the camp just for the record.

Doc Lane · #58 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:45pm

I did not attend his camp, but I was at another where he was a clinician. That is where I was exposed to him.

Enough said......

JRutledge · #59 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 06:51pm

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Originally posted by BBarnaky
Enough said. JRutledge he didn't attend the camp just for the record.

The fact still remains, if he does not like the guy for whatever reason, he might not recommend his camp. He does have a right to that opinion. And if that differs from others so be it. I know for a fact all the camps I have attended that not everyone was happy with the camp or the people running them. That is just the way it is.

Peace

BBarnaky · #60 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 25, 2002, 08:11pm

Excellent point. I concur respectively.