Player gets confused and shoots at wrong basket and misses. Ball hits rim during shot and there was no call by official for any dribbling violation. Was this correct? Also, if shot was taken and ball does not make contact with rim, just backboard, is this then a double dribble violation? Please state rule and/or case number for this situation. Thanks

What if he was fouled while in the act?

I would have to say this is a double dribble. It's certainly not a shot (try), because the definition for a try is an attempt to throw the ball in the players own basket (which in this case didn't happen). Since a dribble ends when a player catches the ball with two hands (which presumedly happens here after the faux "shot"), I'd have a violation if they dribble again.

Sorry for lack of rule numbers, but I don't have-a de book, boss.

I would have to say this is a double dribble. It's certainly not a shot (try), because the definition for a try is an attempt to throw the ball in the players own basket (which in this case didn't happen). Since a dribble ends when a player catches the ball with two hands (which presumedly happens here after the faux "shot"), I'd have a violation if they dribble again.

In addition, since it's not a "try," the reward for being fouled while "shooting" at the wrong basket would be ball out of bounds.

Sorry for lack of rule numbers, but I don't have-a de book, boss.

If I'm correct, this wouldn't be considered a shooting foul since it was at the wrong basket. If the team fouled were in the bonus situation, foul shots then, otherwise ball would be passed in at the baseline.

Did the official know?
 

Did the official realize that the player was shooting at the wrong basket or was it only the player?

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A call depends on the the sitch.

If it was the start of the period and the officals pointed him in the wrong direction, I got nothing.

If it is mid quarter, then it is another lesson learned.

It's not a shooting foul, just a common foul. Unless of course, this was at the beginning of the game and both teams were confused, but that is a whole other can of worms.

Throwing the ball against your opponents backboard is the same as dribbling. That doesn't mean that it's automatically double dribbling. It's only a double dribble if:

1- He dribbled, "shot" the ball, and hit the backboard or

2- He "shot" the ball, hit the backboard, got the "rebound" and then dribbled.

I don't believe the rim is referenced in the rule and I'm sans rule book at the moment.

we need to know if the player dribbled prior to the release.

If the player dribbled before the release and:

1. The ball hits the opponents backboard = Illegal dribble

2. The ball hits the opponents rim and the player is the first to touch = Travel

3. The ball hits the opponents rim and another player is the first to touch = pass(legal play)

If the player did not dribbled and jumped before the release and:

1. The ball hits the opponents backboard = Travel

2. The ball hits the opponents rim and the player is the
first to touch = Travel

3. The ball hits the opponents rim and another player is the first to touch = pass(legal play)

If the player did not dribbled and did not jumped before the release and:

1. The ball hits the opponents backboard = Legal play
the player may continue the dribble or recover the ball
and shoot or pass.

Sorry, I guess I did fail to mention that the player did dribble before the shot was taken at the wrong basket, retrieved the ball as it came off the glass and did not hit another player. So from what I understand from reading the previous post, this was a violation a should have been called. Thanks.

As long as player continues dri9bble rather than catching and dribbling. In the latter case, double dribble.

"As long as player continues dri9bble rather than catching and dribbling. In the latter case, double dribble."

Thats what I was trying to say, maybe I worded it wrong.

Would someone like to explain why this is a double dribble? I don't beleive it is unless the player is the one to catch the ball after it hits the backboard. It would be similar to a player who dribbles then releases a two-handed bounce pass, imo. Just looking to nitpik, since I ain't touching that conspiracy theory thread with a ten foot pole.

This is not an automatic double dribble, but probably would be one based on the laws of physics.

In order to get the ball to hit the backboard, the player will (most likely) have to cause the dribble to end - either from touching the ball with both hands or by carrying the ball (if it comes to rest in just one hand).

If a player releases a two-handed bounce pass, and he then goes after it and keeps dribbling - you know it's a dribble, not a pass, and call the violation.

The player has already dribbled stopped an then started another dribble when the ball hit the opponents back board.

My point is that it is not a double dribble when the ball strikes the opponents backboard. It would only be an illegal dribble if/when he retrieved the ball after it hit said backboard. You keep insinuating that as soon as it strikes the backboard some sort of violation has occurred and that is not the case.

as soon as the ball strikes the opponents backboard a dribble has started I don't have my case book with me but
this case is covered....

4.15.4C "Throwing the ball against the opponent's backboard or an official constitues another dribble, provided A1 is the first to touch the ball ..."

The rule makes it clear that the ball touching the backboard is the same as the ball touching the floor -- until someone touches it, we don't know if it's a pass (someone else touches it) or a dribble (A1 touches it).

Thank you, Bob.

Thanks for the additional info as I said before I don't have my books here and I was doing that long stitch from memory so I will amend my list to:

If the player dribbled prior to the release and:

1. The ball hits the opponents backboard and is the first to touch = Illegal dribble

Good catch......

I don't understand. The only time this would happen is if they lined up wrong or somebody got confused or too excited, correct? These are two different situations handled differently?

Stan, if the rule wasn't in place, A could gain an advantage by throwing the ball off B's backboard. Let's say A1 is in his backboard dribbling and picks up his dribble. He's being pressured by B1 and can't make a pass. A1 throws the ball off B's backboard, catches it, and starts dribbling again. But with the rule, it's a double dribble as soon as he touches the rebounding ball.

Thanks BktBallRef, that clears it right up for me. Probably don't see that very often but a quick thinking kid might believe he came up with something new! Stan

This Actually Happened
 

I actually had a similar sitch occur several years ago in a JV game. A1, on defense at the beginning of the second half, rebounded B1's shot, then apparently forgot which basket was his. A1 put up a "shot" at the wrong basket, and was fouled by B1 as he "shot." The ball went in the basket. Although my partner and I kicked the call, we looked it up after the game, and here's what we should have called.

Because A1 "shot" at the wrong basket, it is officially not a try. Because it wasn't a try, the foul by B1 wasn't in the act of shooting, and therefore, should have stopped the play immediately. Assess the foul to B1, wipe off any points, and give the ball to A1 out of bounds since it was a common foul.

Actually saw an off the backboard play a few years ago. Seemed to catch everyone off gurad. Player gets a defensive rebound, starts to dribble as everyone heads downcourt. He picks up his dribble, but no one around to pass to. He threw the ball off the backboard and dribbled down the court. There was no call, and at the time I had never seen this before and did not know the rule. After reading this board for some time, have learned a lot of rules for situations that do not come up ofter, as well as many common ones.