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mbyron Wed Jul 29, 2009 05:53pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 617803)
Also - do you guys say "one five" or "fifteen"? What language is used in international matches - Esperanto?

"Dek kvin, puŝo, du ĵetas." :D

Mark Padgett Wed Jul 29, 2009 07:38pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 617808)
"Dek kvin, puŝo, du ĵetas." :D

Loosely translated means "Coach, enjoy the rest of the game from the parking lot. You're outta here!" :cool:

mbyron Thu Jul 30, 2009 08:24am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 617818)
Loosely translated means "Coach, enjoy the rest of the game from the parking lot. You're outta here!" :cool:

That's loose even for you. :p

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 617772)
Do you not do this in FED and CCA as well?

Red

32

Block

2 shots

I guess using FIBA's flawed logic that makes sense, but to those who understand basketball it shouldn't.

True...but if I'm speaking English, and scorekeeper is speaking Swahili, I can see some kind of confusion. :cool:

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 617776)
I don't think he's right, though, otherwise 11, 12, and 13 would all be prohibited as well.

I wondered about that till I saw the mechanic explained in a post following yours. There could be very little confusion between 11, 12, and 13, and the number of free throws in that case.

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 617777)
Also, why can a player get up to 5 technical fouls? I'd think that if people get 2 technical fouls with the same sort of circumstance he'd be getting a MLB umpire style heave-ho ;)

5 technical fouls? Padgett would have a heart attack! :eek:

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:14pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 617803)
So if the foul is on number five, you have to signal the five with your right hand alone? What if the scorer is dyslexic? :o

Also - do you guys say "one five" or "fifteen"? What language is used in international matches - Esperanto?

Don't get started on dyslexic scorers. Watching college ball, where the officials were reporting double digits with both hands, made me wonder about dyslexic officials. :o :eek:

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:19pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 618051)
5 technical fouls? Padgett would have a heart attack! :eek:

Why do you think I refer to them as FEEBLE. :p

Adam Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 618051)
5 technical fouls? Padgett would have a heart attack! :eek:

I would have thought he might have an emotional experience rather than a heart attack.

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Jul 30, 2009 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 618059)
I would have thought he might have an emotional experience rather than a heart attack.

Either way...but he beat me to the punch with his "feeble" response. :)

constable Thu Jul 30, 2009 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 618051)
5 technical fouls? Padgett would have a heart attack! :eek:

So should any official.

5 is to much. I would imagine my Fed mindset of 2 and out will apply.

K-Bach Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:08am

Metrication for Americans...
 
Constable...
I presume you're aware that there would be signal indicating the foul (a block in your example) between the player # and the # of FT's, thus the number of FT's is not confused easily with the player being called for a foul. Also, a blocking foul signalled in Swahili is remarkably similar to a blocking fould signalled in Italian, which is nearly identical to a blocking foul signaled in...

Also, technical fouls are not universally horrific in any rule book; in fact the FIBA book describes them as basically rude or disrespectful (my words), so a player may be stupid at a minor level up to 5 times, including their collection of personal fouls in that count of course. On the other hand, some of the fouls that NCAA and FED call technical in nature are described as 'unsporting' by FIBA, and players can only collect two of those, sometimes fewer.

One thing I really like about FIBA is that technical fouls to bench personnel are automatically given to the coach -- there is no need to even attempt to determine which substitute or ac earned it (that's the hc's problem, not mine).

TO's must be requested through the scorer's table prior to an eligible dead ball period...no players making silly mistakes (I've got a great story on that one), and coaches don't have any of their precious timeouts wasted by anyone but themselves. It took many moons (not mine, Padgett) for HS scorers in my part of Alberta to figure out that they're actually important under FIBA rules, but it's getting better all the time.

All in all, I've found that college games I've worked take approximately 90 minutes from tip to exit, with very few exceptions, and I worked a girls HS game that went 56 minutes from tip to exit (7 minute half time period). As far as game play is concerned, fewer timeouts means fewer longish stoppages and the substitution rules keep the game moving. I've also found that when players are too busy playing, they spend less time doing stupid things during dead ball periods.


***edited 1st sentence for clarity ***

BillyMac Fri Jul 31, 2009 06:29am

Once Upon A Time, Back In 1993 ...
 
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Originally Posted by K-Bach (Post 618186)
TO's must be requested through the scorer's table prior to an eligible dead ball period, no players making silly mistakes (I've got a great story on that one), and coaches don't have any of their precious timeouts wasted by anyone but themselves.

And I've got a great story:

YouTube - Chris Webber TO

K-Bach Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:49am

Was it a TO error or a missed call?
 
Wow, I'd forgotten about the shuffle-drag step with the left foot. I was always taught slide - together - slide - step. Sometimes called for traveling; always a hit with the ladies.

Mark Padgett Mon Aug 03, 2009 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by K-Bach (Post 618248)
Wow, I'd forgotten about the shuffle-drag step with the left foot. I was always taught slide - together - slide - step. Sometimes called for traveling; always a hit with the ladies.

Is that anything like LeBron's famous crab dribble?


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