To reach or not reach

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Do you have some sort of ESP that allows you to know for 100% certainty what your partner can or can't see?

My point earlier was not that I don't care what he sees, only that I can't know for 100% certainty what he can see, and neither can you.

I can have an idea. I can make an educated guess, but I can't know for sure.

And neither can you.

This thread is funny. NevadaRef thinks that everything on the court is observed and called as seen and planned. He also likes to quote 25% of out of PCA calls are correct. Officials miss calls. Lots of them. It happens to everyone.

Make whatever calls you feel you have to. At higher levels, you won't be staying there if your calls are wrong. You also ruffle some feathers. However, if you are right and protecting the integrity of the game, you'll be just fine, and the ruffled folks (most of which are past their prime anyway) will slowly fade away.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

This thread is funny. NevadaRef thinks that everything on the court is observed and called as seen and planned.

It's obvious you haven't actually read his posts, but thanks for playing.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's obvious you haven't actually read his posts, but thanks for playing.

I've read the whole thread, and I still can't tell what he's saying. One minute he threatens to rip the head off any official who dares set foot in his primary. The next minute, all of a sudden...oh, it's ok to reach if your partner didn't have a good look at it, as if we are supposed to be all-knowing at all times (aprarently you should be able to know if you're a good official ).

You can't know what your partner is seeing, thinking, feeling at all times. As I said, you can make an educated guess, but it's still just that. A guess.

Seems to me Nevada is suffering from selective reasoning.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Do you have some sort of ESP that allows you to know for 100% certainty what your partner can or can't see?

My point earlier was not that I don't care what he sees, only that I can't know for 100% certainty what he can see, and neither can you.

I can have an idea. I can make an educated guess, but I can't know for sure.

And neither can you.

The point is that I strive to ascertain what my partner can see and is officiating, you have stated that you don't even bother to include that in your officiating. You have advocated just seeing a play in someone else's primary that you think needs a whistle and going right ahead and making a call.

You need to learn a great deal about "partner awareness." Part of that is well described by this poster.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I made the call, because the T recognized I had a count & their body language & eyes told me they were officiating elsewhere.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Seems to me Nevada is suffering from selective reasoning.

Perhaps that's what allows me to be selective about what I call, especially out of my PCA, unlike you.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You have advocated just seeing a play in someone else's primary that you think needs a whistle and going right ahead and making a call.

Really? Where did I advocate that? I'd love for you to point it out.

(cue jeopardy music)

Couldn't find it, eh?

What I did say is that I don’t have time to decide WHY my partner didn’t make the call.

Would you rather I stop play, go over to my partner and ask “Hey, Joe. I noticed you didn’t call that blatant travel that was in your primary. Was that because you passed on it or because you were screened out?”

No, I have to make a judgment call. (hmm....Joe missed that blatant travel call. Maybe he was screened out)....NEWS FLASH: WELCOME TO OFFICIATING 101. It's all about judgment calls.

You need to learn a great deal about "partner awareness." Part of that is well described by this poster.

Gee, thanks. I've been told by multiple partners and evaluators that I'm a great partner and have great "awareness" on the court. But bully for you for being able to ascertain my officiating abilities from an internet message board.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Perhaps that's what allows me to be selective about what I call, especially out of my PCA, unlike you.

Coach: Nevada, wasn't that a foul?
Nevada: It was, but then I changed my mind and decided it wasn't.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Coach: Nevada, wasn't that a foul?
Nevada: It was, but then I changed my mind and decided it wasn't. Did I blow the whistle, coach?

[JRutledge]

I am sorry; I could not read all of this as this discussion is somewhat repetitive.

I will just say this; you have to understand the game and the mechanics. In one of our State Final Games this past year on the Boy's side, there was a play where the Trail was on a play and for some reason, did not call a foul that everyone could clearly see on a steal attempt near the middle of the floor. A veteran official for some reason either had a brain fart or cracked under the pressure and one of our own (who does not come here anymore to my knowledge) made a great call in the coverage area of his partner. Not only was this an unusual situation, but it was kind of a game saver on many levels. If this foul was not called, the hinges might have come off the doors of this game. This was a rare play in the game and if I recall there was not another moment in the game where this kind of play needed this kind of attention. It was a great get from the official that was calling out of his area, but everyone clearly saw a foul and if this did not get called, the game would have been in jeopardy.

That is not the case most of the time. This should be a rare occurrence that you need to call out of your area (if not in the lane BTW) in the first place. And honestly I do not understand why this keeps coming up, other than officials that do not understand the terminology or the mechanics systems to know when these things have difference. I can move this discussion to other sports I work and there are clearly things I would not ever call that my partner is responsible for and I am fine with this, even if they are completely wrong. If you call all over the floor when it is not necessary, a coach or player is going to expect you to call a foul in a situation where it would not be necessary in the first place.

Peace