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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Jul 11, 2009 09:10pm

Direction of Play, Part II
 
Bob:

You didn't give a chance to reply to the O(riginal)T(hread). I wanted to say that Blind Zebra gave some excellent advice in his OP.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Sun Jul 12, 2009 09:26am

Always Listen To bob ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 613723)
Worked my first games last night. Evaluator/trainer told me the most important thing was to give an emphatic directional signal. Reminded me of my time in drama, where we were told to make all of our moves and gestures "bigger so the person in the last row knows what you're doing."

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 613896)
Congratulations. You've just set the record for resurrecting the thread that's been dead the longest at 4.5 years. Don't do it again.

Moderator bob jenkins: What's wrong with resurrecting a thread from 4.5 years ago, as long as the poster has something relevant to add to the discussion. At first, I thought that you were being humorous, but then I noticed that you closed the thread, which led me to believe that you were serious. I give dsqrddgd909, a newbie, a lot of credit for bringing a new slant to this old thread, the "emphatic directional signal". I would have liked to have seen some discussion regarding emphatic signals, because all the other posters in the old thread seemed to feel that the directional signal was the least important part of the out of bounds mechanics.

ILMalti Sun Jul 12, 2009 09:45am

Ok what is being meant by "emphatic directional signal"? Does this mean placing the emphasis on the direction and colour as we point in the right direction (hopefully :) )? What is different to what is being done today on the court? Should we project our voices to ensure that the last row hears us?

Back In The Saddle Sun Jul 12, 2009 03:52pm

Some OOB calls benefit from a little more "mustard": A louder, clear, usually more immediate voice and a little bigger, more emphatic signal. But don't go crazy with it.

bob jenkins Sun Jul 12, 2009 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 614133)
Some OOB calls benefit from a little more "mustard": A louder, clear, usually more immediate voice and a little bigger, more emphatic signal. But don't go crazy with it.


Even the "obvious" calls nedd the appropriate amount of sharpness to the call. They can be "too lazy."

bob jenkins Sun Jul 12, 2009 04:03pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 614098)
Moderator bob jenkins: What's wrong with resurrecting a thread from 4.5 years ago, as long as the poster has something relevant to add to the discussion.

Experience.

dsqrddgd909 Sun Jul 12, 2009 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 614137)
Even the "obvious" calls nedd the appropriate amount of sharpness to the call. They can be "too lazy."

Thank you all. I know that us newbies can get a little tiresome. I will try to better use the search function and will keep an eye on the age of the posts.

The evaluator mentioned I needed a bigger directional signal, particularly because the games were in a multiple court facility.

BillyMac Sun Jul 12, 2009 07:34pm

I Guess That You Can Have It Both Ways ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 614137)
Even the "obvious" calls nedd the appropriate amount of sharpness to the call. They can be "too lazy."

Wait a cotton-picking minute. Didn't you close this thread topic? :)

bob jenkins Sun Jul 12, 2009 07:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 614169)
Wait a cotton-picking minute. Didn't you close this thread topic? :)


WTF?

The OP was about remembering the direction of play, and was 4.5 years old.

This thread is (now) about specific mechanics and is a couple of days old.

Not even remotely the same.

BillyMac Sun Jul 12, 2009 08:55pm

I Apologize If You Didn't Close The Old Thread ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 614173)
The OP was about remembering the direction of play, and was 4.5 years old. This thread is (now) about specific mechanics and is a couple of days old. Not even remotely the same.

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909:
Worked my first games last night. Evaluator/trainer told me the most important thing was to give an emphatic directional signal. Reminded me of my time in drama, where we were told to make all of our moves and gestures "bigger so the person in the last row knows what you're doing."

This (above) is from the very end, of the very old thread, that a moderator closed. I questioned why it was closed, because I thought that it brought up a new, interesting, twist on the original, but very old, thread.

just another ref Mon Jul 13, 2009 01:01am

As to the emphatic signal, my opinion is that it's better to give no signal at all than to point in the wrong direction. Should you momentarily lose track of who's going which way, (surely I'm not the only one) give a whistle, stop the clock, and say the color. It's not earth-shaking to have a second pause before you point the direction.

Smitty Mon Jul 13, 2009 08:25am

I don't understand why that other thread was closed either. And with such disdain from the moderator. It's not like the topic is no longer relevant - who cares how old the thread is?

I suppose the moderators can do whatever they want, but I don't see the need for the "Don't do it again" warning at the end of the last post. That's uncalled for and unprofessional for a moderator, especially when the post made was on topic.

mbyron Mon Jul 13, 2009 08:32am

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 614260)
I don't understand why that other thread was closed either. And with such disdain from the moderator. It's not like the topic is no longer relevant - who cares how old the thread is?

I suppose the moderators can do whatever they want, but I don't see the need for the "Don't do it again" warning at the end of the last post. That's uncalled for and unprofessional for a moderator, especially when the post made was on topic.

When you're a moderator on this forum, you can make a different call with your attitude of choice.

In the meantime, if you want to start a new thread on the same topic, why not post something substantive in that vein?

fiasco Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:52am

Most forum moderators I know would rather old threads be resurrected than new threads started on the same topic. Tends to cut down on clutter. Oh well, to each his/her own I guess.



*Should I have started a new thread for this post? :D

ILMalti Mon Jul 13, 2009 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 614297)

*Should I have started a new thread for this post? :D

Judgement call :D:D

tomegun Tue Jul 14, 2009 06:45am

There is so much I could say, but even this vague comment of mine could get deleted.

On point, an official does not have to make a spectacle of every out of bounds call. The calls that are very obvious don't need much at all and nobody that I know of would tell someone those calls are too lazy.


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