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bradfordwilkins Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:32am

NCAA Mechanic for Team Control
 
Looking the back of the book -- it appears there is no mechanic for team control fouls.

So for instance, for an illegal screen what signal are you giving?

bas2456 Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:45am

I've seen officials give the blocking foul signal for an illegal screen

mbyron Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:34am

The mechanics I've seen:

1. whistle (raised fist optional)
2. point the other way
3. signal the nature of the foul (pointing to perp optional)

rockyroad Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:38am

There is no mechanic given for NCAA-M...check out page 173 of the rule book for the correct signal for NCAA-W. The "punch" is the correct signal for a team control foul in NCAA-W. That can be followed by other signals (block, push, etc) to explain what the foul was.

bradfordwilkins Thu Apr 09, 2009 03:11pm

Yea, sorry meant to clarify for men. Block sounds sellable to me.

The women's signals are great though -- they are the only league that has an "official" signal for "Hit to the head"

ajs8207 Thu Apr 09, 2009 05:46pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 594976)
The "punch" is the correct signal for a team control foul in NCAA-W. That can be followed by other signals (block, push, etc) to explain what the foul was.

I've seen the other signal given first, then the punch. Which is correct?

rockyroad Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:41pm

The punch should come first.

ajs8207 Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:24am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 595068)
The punch should come first.

Is this true for NFHS too?

M&M Guy Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:45am

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Originally Posted by ajs8207 (Post 595149)
Is this true for NFHS too?

I don't know if NFHS has a specific order, but I definitely do the punch at the spot of the foul, then either the punch or block/hold/push/hit signal at the table to clarify, if needed. Remember, the purpose of signals is communication. The punch tells people you have a foul on the offense, you will be going the other direction, and there will not be any FT's shot if the team is in the bonus. If you signal a block first (say on an illegal screen), players/coaches might think you have a foul on the defense, then when you signal the punch next they might think you changed your mind, creating unneeded confusion. Using the punch first definitely signifies a foul on the offense; then if there is still a question, you can signal the specific foul at the table along with the punch, or simply verbalize the infraction.

Camron Rust Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:26am

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Originally Posted by ajs8207 (Post 595149)
Is this true for NFHS too?

Unless I'm mistaken, the NFHS specifies only the punch...nothing more.

mbyron Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:56am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 595180)
Unless I'm mistaken, the NFHS specifies only the punch...nothing more.

That's my understanding based on our state rules meeting.

JRutledge Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 595180)
Unless I'm mistaken, the NFHS specifies only the punch...nothing more.

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 595195)
That's my understanding based on our state rules meeting.

Actually the NF wants to the punch and the fouls signal at the site. That is according to a PowerPoint slid I saw recently.

Peace

LDUB Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 595013)
The women's signals are great though -- they are the only league that has an "official" signal for "Hit to the head"

Why is that needed? It is illegal use of hands. I don't see why a signal is needed to indicate where the other player got hit.

Ch1town Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 595205)
Why is that needed? It is illegal use of hands. I don't see why a signal is needed to indicate where the other player got hit.

Communication. Sometimes it's not clear what happened & although it's not an approved mechanic at the level I work, when I've used it (at the spot NOT the table) it clearly communicates to all what exactly happened on the play.

Old_School Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 595013)
The women's signals are great though -- they are the only league that has an "official" signal for "Hit to the head"

Do they also have an "official" signal for "hit to the shoulder"?

"Hit to the stomach"?

Hit to the knee"?

"hit to the :eek:"?

If not, why not?:)

JRutledge Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by Old_School (Post 595231)

"hit to the :eek:"?

If not, why not?:)

I do not think you are going to have to worry about this in the women's game. :D

Peace

M&M Guy Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:28pm

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Originally Posted by Old_School (Post 595231)
"hit to the :eek:"?

I, for one, am glad there is no signal for a hit to the :eek:. In the heat of a game I have hurt my forearm from giving the signal too hard, or hurt my fingers for giving a T too demonstratively. I wouldn't want to go too far in giving <B>that</B> signal.

JRutledge Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 595235)
I, for one, am glad there is no signal for a hit to the :eek:. In the heat of a game I have hurt my forearm from giving the signal too hard, or hurt my fingers for giving a T too demonstratively. I wouldn't want to go too far in giving <B>that</B> signal.

TMI TMI TMI!!!!!!!

Peace

M&M Guy Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 595236)
TMI TMI TMI!!!!!!!

Peace

Hey, Old School started it!

Btw, do you remember which officials worked the Championship game?

<font size=1>(Oh, never mind.)</font size> :D

amusedofficial Sat Apr 11, 2009 08:51am

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Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 595013)
The women's signals are great though -- they are the only league that has an "official" signal for "Hit to the head"

Six different time out signals! But why do the NCAA-W have separate signals for full time out and :60 time out?

refguy Sat Apr 11, 2009 09:14am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 595331)
Six different time out signals! But why do the NCAA-W have separate signals for full time out and :60 time out?

So that media directors know how many commercials they can fit in. Usually a full is 90, 120, or 150 seconds.

rockyroad Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:04am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 595331)
Six different time out signals! But why do the NCAA-W have separate signals for full time out and :60 time out?

They aren't the same thing in NCAA ball. In true media format games (like tv games) teams can call only 30 second time-outs, except for the one 60 second time-out they are allowed. Media to's at the first dead ball under 16, 12, 8, and 4 minutes are true full time-outs - like refguy said the lengteh of those will depend on the media agreements. In a non-media game, a team can call 30's or full's, and those full's are 90 seconds long.


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