-While I agree that most players do not fall down by themselves there are times when there is contact between feet that just is not a foul...In a confined space there is time when there just is not a foul..

While I cannot see all agles of the play... Philosophically can you penalize a defender that did not do anything wrong?

-Where did the 2 of 4 (rythym, balance, speed and quickness)plus illegal contact become a foul?

-Illegal contact is a foul.. (remember there is legal contact). If there is contact often we use rythym, balance, speed and quickness to determine if there was an advantage/disadvantage or if the contact was incidental.

If there is contact and it changes even one of the four I might have a foul...

Not sure how it fits this description, but the contact in this case caused the guy to basically fall on his face.

I've watched the play about a half-dozen times now and still don't see any contact between Blue 15 and White 2. When I look closely, I see B15's right foot hitting the back of his left calf, his right foot then plantarflexes and his toe hits the floor, dragging him a bit and causing him to fall - tripping over his own feet.

From what I saw #2's leg contacted #15's right leg causing it to go into the back of his left leg.

#2's father is a buddy of mine, I'm gonna ask him this week if there was any contact. I trust his son will provide an honest answer.

The fact that so many people have looked at this play and disagree about whether there's a foul or whether there's even contact makes my point that you don't make this call from lead.

Unless the L's angle (which none of the cameras could show) gave her a view none of us had.

I agree that it's very hard to make this call from the lead, but if we ever get to see the look the lead had, I think we'll all agree there was contact.

No Contact ...
 

From the videos posted, I don't see any contact at all, legal, or illegal. The ball handler tripped himself.

If the lead had a better angle than the trail, and than the cameras, and saw some contact, then I have no problem with him making the call because the contact that he saw certainly put the ball handler at a disadvantage, he fell, and went into the backcourt. I just hope that he didn't guess from the lead.

Don't need to see that angle to see the contact. This is to the point of hilarity that referees on here cannot see the foul. I saw it the 1st time and on each subsequent replay CBS showed. As #15's foot passes #2's calf, watch it change direction and go behind his other foot causing him to fall. I guess not all are created with equal eyesight or ability.
What happens when you see a foul - not in your primary and your supervisor asks if you saw it. Are you gonna say it's not my primary or just say you weren't looking there as many use that cop out.

Even if there was contact (which I clearly have not seen any by replays), then I still do not see how this is a foul. The Kansas player ran up the back of the MSU player. If that is a foul, then we miss a lot of fouls in the game of basketball. Other than him falling, nothing the MSU player did or would have done was illegal.

Peace

You got that right.

Some people know the rules.

Some people know the rules and HOW TO APPLY them properly.

There's a difference.

A difference that you - to the point of hilarity - seem to miss time and time again.

Exactly why you don't make such a call that far out of your area unless Ray Charles could make the call, sitting 50 rows up.

That's the problem. They were playing with a "centre" line. No wonder things got messed up. Everyone was metrically disoriented.

If we were to say there was contact, are some people suggesting that a player with his back to the offensive player is responsible for that player trying to run past him? Wouldn't this open up a can of worms since any player could simply run into a player that doesn't see him/her and get a foul called?

It's what happens when you refuse to play FIBA like everybody else :D