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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 593309)

They were clearly in the paint by the time the player hit the floor...but they were drifting in as the play developed. An if you mean squarely in the middle of the paint to mean having one foot out of the lane, fine.

And who was watching them as they drifted?

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 593244)

As I clearly stated, it started with 0 with 2 drifting in at the time of the contact.

Actually, by the time of the point in question, they were well outside the lane on the L/T side (not from the middle/circle), the C would have either long since given up on them since he had several more matchups to watch or was watching the screening action...which was not the point of the foul...the fouler came from the opposite side.

If it makes you happy, OK.

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 593244)

In how many typical halfcourt sets is the trail standing on or behind the division line? In how many typical halfcourt sets does the lead have 0 players in their primary, even if for just a few seconds?

They may have been in the "halfcourt" but the players were not in a typical alignment for typical halfcourt coverage.

Actually Camron, I do not know your experience on the college floor and if I recall you have worked college games which means you are on a college floor. But it is rather typical on a throw-in to be back a little ways as the Trail. Considering that they want you back and you do not just focus on the thrower that has absolutely no pressure, you focus on the players going after the ball. If there is a steal or an attempt to steal, the Trail might be the only one to get that. The center can help with off ball activity, but the Trail cannot rely on them only to see something. I cannot imagine that the Trail was not looking there.

Peace

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 593289)

Some here also questioned whether or not the L actually saw the play, but rather guessed because the KU player went to the floor. Do you really think that these guys make it to this level by guessing on calls? I don't. Now I don't know if John Adams agreed with the call or not, but I'm sure that the L could have easily explained to Coach Izzo what he had on that play had he been asked.

No one said this was a habit. We said it was a single call that by many was judged to be wrong. That does not mean the official or officials could not make mistakes. We have talked about many other mistakes this tournament. Do not make it sound as if this one had to be correct just because you like the call. What about all the other calls in the game?

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 593289)

Just another reason why we don't need officials peeing, figuratively speaking, on the court marking their territory. We all know, at any given time, what our primary coverage area is, so give that a rest. ;)

I am not sure that is correct. Based on the series of questions that were asked, and even the way this play was described, whether they know the primary coverage is really not the point. The question is do you know what is typical and what is trained. And I can tell you that John did not take too kindly to officials calling things out of their primary when I attended his camps. At least not plays that an official passed on.

Peace

I had a conversation with someone that would know much more than I would about these kinds of situations than I might ever know.

I will not say this call was the reason a certain official was held back in the past NCAA Tournament, but the call we were talking about in this thread was not seen as correct by the NCAA. Not only because the call was questionable from all the angles we all saw, but also because it was far out of the area for the calling official. And this kind of call also held back some veteran officials because they tend to call things outside of their areas during the season.

I will leave it at that.

Peace

Hmm, so let me get this straight - it is considered an incorrect call (by the NCAA) to go outside your calling area to make a questionable call?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell 'ya.

(I can't wait to see this thread reved up again...) :D

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 629001)

Yabut, ... yabut that *needed* to be called !! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/ae...smiley-006.gif

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 628987)

I hate being right all the time. :cool:

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 629043)

I hate being right all the time. :cool:

..Hate it ?
If that is so, then why are you smirking ?

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 629047)

..Hate it ?
If that is so, then why are you smirking ?

"Hate" is such a complex emotion...