bulls/wizards backcourt violation
 

one of the bulls shot a free throw, and missed, and one of the wizards rebounded it. the bulls immediately trapped him in the backcourt, so he was having a hard time finding an open guy to pass it to. at the same time, one of the wizards was already in the front court, but started coming back to receive the pass. the wizard with the ball saw him and threw the ball. as the ball was in the air, nearing the half court line, the wizard jumped from the frontcourt, caught the ball in mid air, and then landed with one foot in the frontcourt, and one in the backcourt. is this a violation?

i thought the player first had to have possession of the ball AND establish BOTH feet in the frontcourt for there to be a possibility of a violation. he established himself in the front court, but he didn't have the ball. when he did possess the ball, he was in mid air, so he can land wherever he wants, right? it's the same exact thing as if you were to jump from the frontcourt, catch the ball, and then land both feet in the backcourt, which i believe is legal. did the ref make the wrong call here, along with the announcers? i say yes.

You're wrong. This is a violation.

Team control is already established by the first player who is trapped.
As soon as your airborne player catches the ball, the ball gains FC status since he jumped from the FC.
Violation as soon as he lands in the BC. Every time at all levels.

That's only during a dribble from BC to FC. (at least in NFHS and NCAA rules. IDK & IDC about NBA rules)

What are NBA rules?

Apocryphal?

You chose to watch the Bulls and the Wizards?
 

I had my choice - that game or something good!

So, I flipped channels and tuned in Hogans Heroes Season 3, Episode 4: Sergeant Schultz Meets Mata Hari. Original Air Date—30 September 1967.

A Gestapo female operative tries to lure secrets out of Sergeant Schultz.

Now, THAT's entertainment! :p

Sounds like something Bob Crane might have tried at some point, depending on what "secrets" means.

Does this qualify for obscure reference of the day?

Isn't this an oxymoron?

Absolutely, and some of us understand it! ;)

i thought this might be the case. it makes sense. it's just jamison was explaining to the ref that he was in the air, then landed. he wasn't denying he had his foot on the line. then that made me think of the rule that you must establish all 3 things in the frontcourt first. i just wan't sure if you had to have possession of the ball before your feet counted; you don't.

The only time you need 3 points (two feet and the ball) in the FC to establish is when you're dribbling. A player who is not dribbling, but is holding the ball, needs only have one foot down in the FC and nothing touching the BC for the ball to gain FC status.

An airborne player has his location determined by where he last touched the floor, so once he holds the ball, the ball has the same location as the player.

thanks for the contributive post.

nah, it's just another idiot who, everytime the nba is mentioned, has to insult it. should i go into threads that aren't nba or nfl and mock those leagues solely because i don't care for them? what if said all college sports lack talent, and stated it to be fact? fact or not, it's immature and rude to keep insulting something when nobody asked you to be a troll and/or hijack the thread. and the fact that people mostly talk about non-pro on here has NOTHING to do with why you would come into every thread of a certain sport and leave ignorant comments.

Thanks for the contributive post.

Didn't you get your answer in post #2 and #3? You have the right to ignore what you don't want and simply discuss the question and answer at hand, or you can chose to attack people by using comments such as "idiot", "troll" and "leave ignorant comments".

I see what you chose. Pot = kettle.

Well, grunewar lives in Northern Va so I think his dismissive post has more to do with the quality of Wizards' basketball. In other words, why would anyone waste time watching the Whizzz?

I haven't watched more than 5 minutes of Wizards basketball all season and I live in a Wizards broadcasting market. I've even turned down free tickets.

what about the other 16 people who feel it necessary to tell me it's the nbe and not the nba, and other such garbage? damn straight it's entertainment.

You addressed grune directly. The other 16 people (and grune) made no personal attacks against you. Negative comments about the NBA were the norm on here long before you started posting.

Many here know 1 or 2 NBA officials personally and have officiated current NBA players. You will notice that no one makes any negative comments about any NBA players or officials in particular. They ridicule the entity. Why does that bother you so much?

I wasn't talking about that post, I was talking about the Bob Crane reference from mbyron; you know, the post that I quoted.

And if this upsets you then you must be blowing a gasket about the treatment women's and girls' basketball get in this forum. :eek:

On a side note, Mick, why did you shut down your own thread?

Sorry I took this thread in the wrong direction. Was just having a little fun.

BNR is correct, I live in N VA and have been to many a Bullets/Wizards game over the years. They are so bad (read injured) this year, that tix are easy to come by. You can purchase floor seats (usually $145) for $20 (and I have). The Wiz are tough to watch though and they really need fannies in the seats.

Am I an NBA fan? I prefer College and HS myself, because pro athletes are pretty rich and spoiled for the most part (IMO) and the game is much ado about one-on-one, I prefer the team game.

But, I understand that we here in VA and DC have the “luxury” of having several pro sports teams in the area – and that can’t be said for all parts in the country. So, I like to take my kids to football, hockey, basketball, and baseball games when I can – just as my dad and grandpa took me. I DO enjoy the experience, for the most part (even the NATS and O’s sometimes) and it builds memories and bonding with my boys.

But hey, I used to watch Hogan's Heroes with my dad too! ;)

Better send this before this thread gets locked!

side track
 

Cuz it was done. :)

FYI, the rule is the same for the NBA.

i understand it appears like i'm totally overreacting, but if you look at all of the threads i've created, over half of them have people either insulting me for talking about pro sports (officiating is officiating), or they're insulting the nba just because they think outrageous things, such as thinking the nba is fake (wow).

i have less than 100 posts on here, and i'm already super frustrated with the hate of the nba. if you hate the nba, fine, but it's an officiating forum, and if i make a thread about an officiating question, it shouldn't matter from what league.

thanks to the people who actually say "hmm, an officiating question, i think i'll answer/discuss it to the best of my knowledge, regardless of what league it's for".

this thread is over as my question has been answered, but in case you can't tell, i'm not going to ignore the fact that a good amount of posts in my threads are just people who go from thread to thread looking to insult something.

As I've posted already....NBA-related threads have been treated like this long before you came along. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.

You just as well ignore it because you sure as hell aren't going to change anyone's mind. People are entitled to their opinion. You just stir the $hitstorm when you complain about it.

Bro, if you come here to post then you better just get used to the hatred guys (and gal- julie) on here have for the pro game. Don't let it bother you. I personally love the pro game better than the college game. I believe the players are the best of the best, the coaches are reasonable (and when they're not they get chucked), the players speak to you ( I hate working a whole game and only talking to coaches, Just my personal preference), there are more plays to the hoop and if they don't drive they can actually hit a jumper. The athleticism at the pro level is just sickening and in a league all its own. When i go from a pro to a college game, it is night and day. If i'm lucky there is one, maybe two supremely athletic players on the court, but usually neither can consistently hit a jumper, and this is D1 basketball.

That being said, there are plenty of guys (officials) i would go to war with on a nightly basis. I say war because college gyms can be hectic and crazy. They are all on top of you and just breathing down your neck and that is the only thing that supercedes the pro game over the college game in my opinion.

Hey Packer, you might get better responses here, at this site.