Looks like backcourt violation to me...?
 

NJ HS boys 1st round playoff. The play is in the first 10 seconds of the video clip, right off the opening tip.

Is there some reason why this isn't a backcourt violation? Perhaps the officials just missed it (not to bash them, just asking)... I confess to having the occasional brain freeze off the opening tip as well- you get a state tournament game and all you want is for the game to start and the players go the right way and BAM, something weird happens that freezes you.

Here's the link. It's an 8 minute or so highlight video, so the whole thing might take a few minutes to load, but the play is right at the beginning.

Cape May County Gazette Sports :: South Jersey Sports: Wildwood-Paulsboro video highlights

1) The official judged that the player in white didn't have PC before he "threw the pass."

2) The official judged that the player in the red jersey touched the ball.

3) The officials missed it.

Always listen to bob. ;)


My opinion is that this was a missed call. I paused the video at 0:05 and W32 clearly has two hands on the ball, and holding it, with his momentum carrying him OB. W32 clearly made a behind-the-back pass to save the ball from going OB, and the ball travelled to White's backcourt. When W12 touched the ball, a violation should have been called. Just like you said, these violations near the jump ball are tougher to nab.

I don't think player control was established so I've got no call on this.

Both hands on the ball looks to me like holding it.

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I don't ever see both hands (but only watched it once to simulate an in game experience haha) I saw batting the ball around and fumbling around and a nifty recovery for the save behind the back...

3) The officials missed it.

I'll take door number 3

Good no call, noboday ever had possession

On first glance, it's a violation. On second view, it's a violation. U got caught off guard, I think.
He held it (even if briefly) before throwing it.

Yeah, but would you still call it that way if the player was wearing a long-sleeved shirt under his jersey?? Huh?? Would ya???:p

If he had a medical waiver signed in triplicate, notarized and validated by the governor.

What if it was in California and it was signed by the Governator???

Obvious BC
 

Come on Y'all! He Grabbed the ball one hand, brought it to his other hand, Held the ball...stayed in bounds, then made a direct pass to his teammate. The call was missed. Obvious BC.

obvious? Ehh, no. Sure it is a bc but lots of refs at any level would have missed this call especially since it was coming off the jump.

Another vote for #3....

That's what I saw. To bring the ball from the front of his body and then make a behind the back pass demostrates control to me.

Clearly a backcourt violation.

#3

It's a BC violation.

If the player had touched the sideline before releasing the ball, which way would you have set the AP arrow? Assuming that you have stated that the official missed this call, you are saying that you would have given the visiting team the ball AND the arrow, correct? The white team had attained clear player control before stepping out of bounds.

If the sequence was W32 OB, then W32 touches the ball while OB, black gets the throw-in and the arrow is set when the ball is at black's disposal for the throw-in.

No, it isn't. When W32 attains player control (just prior to stepping on the sideline), then the ball would be given to Black for the violation of stepping out of bounds. Further, since White controlled the ball BEFORE stepping out of bounds, the AP arrow would be set AS SOON AS WHITE GAINED CONTROL -- pointing in the direction of Black.

My question is would you give Black the arrow based on what you have seen concerning White's control of the ball (if he had either stepped out of bounds or been guilty of a travel prior to tossing the ball into play)?

If so, then a BC violation would be correct if he stayed in bounds. If not, the official probably got this one right.

If you re-read my statement, you will see that I (accidentally) left out a piece of information. I have added it in blue.

With me not including the blue statement, you don't have enough information to say that I am correct or incorrect. ;)

You originally asked "If the player had touched the sideline before releasing the ball" which I erroneoulsy took to be "If the player had touched the sideline before touching the ball". My mistake.

Your claim re: setting the arrow is well taken, however.