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I don't usually post about my partners, but last night's partner embodied many of the stereotypes that we complain about amongst ourselves on this board.
First, though, I have to admit that I was late to the game site due to the unbelievably heavy traffic. I arrived at the site only 10 minutes prior to the scheduled start. My partner was wearing pants with a belt, never a good sign, and they were the wrong color, to boot. So right away, I was leery of him. Here's just a sampling of his actual calls last night: Rebounding foul: "#34 is climbing!!" (while giving the "over the back" signal); 3 seconds: "33's in there too long!!" Ball slips out of shooter's hands OOB: "You looooooooost it! White!" Travel: "He stepped before the contact!!" Not good times :( Chuck |
Maybe I am feeble......
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What's wrong with wearing a belt? I take it that this is not part of the uniform in North America. "3 seconds: "33's in there too long!!" - what's wrong with this? Maybe I have more to learn than I thought - or perhaps it's just another example of my feebleness.... :) |
Actually, sometimes I have found it to be good game management (not that that's more important than rules knowledge ;) ) to yell, "Travel first" when there was a travel a split second before a foul involving the ball handler. I think it's an indication that I'm not making the "Richie Powers" call of travel to avoid deciding between a charge and a block.
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Most of the refs in our association wear black reffing pants with a belt. They seem to fit better and I think they look more athletic. Those beltless pants make the older guys look they have no butt or like they maybe had an accident. :-)
But I too could do without your partner's "play by play." Z |
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Belted pants? :(
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Chuck, thanks for the reply. Here in Oz I have never even seen a pair of beltless pants - all referees wear black dress pants with a black belt.
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Get with the times.
Belted pants are like wearing a shirt with a collar. Those are things of the past. And yes, if you cannot change with the times and wear a uniform that higher level officials are wearing, then what else are you not changing as time goes on. That is how you are judged around here. I am sure it is the same in other places. But then again, what the hell do I know.
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<i>Belted pants are like wearing a shirt with a collar.</i>
Not true around here. Collared shirts not allowed, belted pants allowed. <i>Those are things of the past. And yes, if you cannot change with the times and wear a uniform that higher level officials are wearing, then what else are you not changing as time goes on.</i> So long as an official looks sharp, we judge them on their calls, communication and game management. But what do we know? I've seen some "higher level" officials with a gut that hangs out. Should I add more fat to my diet? <i>That is how you are judged around here. I am sure it is the same in other places. But then again, what the hell do I know.</i> Maybe not as much as you think. Perhaps things are different in some places than others. Perhaps things are different at the high school level than at college. Z [Edited by zebraman on Jun 18th, 2002 at 08:32 AM] |
yup, collorless shirts and beltless pants are what we wear. But, soon collegiate bb officials will be required to wear pleated beltless pants...:(
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<i> When his area does things differently, it's because they're unique and special.</i>
Do I need to add a new entry to "Rut's Rules?" Sure sounds like it. :-) Z |
No need. The rules are constantly changing. You'll run out of white-out, trying to keep up! :D
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Add it!!!
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Just the facts Jack, just the facts. Peace |
I have seen both in my area, to me the only people who notice belt or no belt, collar or no collar are other officials. What I have noticed though....if you have a belly or look physically fit....... is what the spectators notice.
Just my opinion and maybe just my area! AK ref SE |
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We are dealing with perceptions...If you look overweight, people think that you are slow or sloppy, doesn't matter how good you are.
Just a quick story on perceptions. I was in class with this guy. He did not look athletic in the least. He wanted to go for a little run. I thought I was in shape because I was reffing several games a night, several days a week. We start jogging (to me a little run is a mile or two). I was dying at mile three! Find out this guy is a super marathon runner, a little run to him is 10-20 miles. I guess my point is! Just like opinions! It is hard to change an opinion or a perception, because they belong to everyone else! AK ref SE |
I have been told that in my area, overweight officials will have more trouble getting the HS varsity assignments, but can get there by being a good official. A varsity coach may go to the JV game and think negatively of an overweight official, but can be turned around by their ability. Basically, you have to work to overcome the pre-conceived notion that a fat guy can't officiate. If you're good, they will want you on your game.
As far as belt/no-belt, chapter doesn't have a policy. However, all varsity refs wear beltless, pleated slacks (funny how that works out). |
Even officials want the lastest style!
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I still think I get the trophy for working with a partner who showed up to do his games in a striped shirt with "Foot Locker" still stitched onto the pocket!! Merciful Heavens! |
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HA! That is pretty sad... What level of competition was it? And were his pants pleated...:)?
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Personally, if their fly is zipped and their seat ain't ripped, we're off to a good start!
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In NC, beltless slacks and v-neck shirts are required. The only options are pleated or western cut slacks and mesh, polyester, or cotton/poly shirts. |
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my sansabelts during a girls hs game. It was pretty obvious even with my black "underthingies". One of the few times I did not have a spare pair of pants in my bag, when I got home that night I threw a handful of safety pins into the bag. |
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windstorm as you run by! :) |
Pleated-unpleated, belts- no belts, collared-no collared,
what next shoes----slip-ons, shoe laces, velco!?!?!?!? Socks-single, double, support, nylons, long short...to many choices....and iw as worried about calling a good game or good game management!! AK ref SE |
It's all about being uniformed.
How stupid would it look for one official to have belted slacks and a collared shirt while his partner is wearing beltless and a v-neck? I, personally, don't see a problem with an association requiring all officials to be dressed alike. |
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Just what I need for my blazing speed!! :) [/B][/QUOTE]Did you use your "blazing speed" in a game in Evansville yesterday,Tony? I see that they hit 5.0 on the Richter scale! :p When you hit 5.0,you know you got PRESENCE!! [Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jun 19th, 2002 at 01:34 PM] |
I bet Z is proud.
We are having a great discussion over the ins and out over rules knowledge. How in the world did pants become part of the discussion? :D
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Because rules knowledge and game management are irrelevent if you don't have your pants one!
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You need pants?
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I guess that is why a D1 Official told me that officiating was much more than blowing the whistle. ;) Peace |
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Oh-oh...looks like Tony got sent to the principal's
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Hey, folks, can we get back to criticizing people who don't have a clue, instead of each other?
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Now can't we all feel shocked together about this poor fellow, and band together to be superior and self-righteous as a very professional group, instead of tearing at each other's throats? Thank you! |
Since we are on the topic of uniform
The uniform in Australia is shirt with collar and belted pants.
However, I once filled in for a referee - and didn't have my full uniform in the car, so wore black track pants with press studs down both legs. On a quick change of direction my thumb got caught between studs, and proceeded to rip off my pants. I was left trying to run up the court with my pants around my ankles with only a pair of bike shorts on! Oh and by the way - I was 23, this was a Under 18's Girls game, and there was one particular player that I was reasonably interested in - it was fairly difficult to make eye contact with her for quite a while :) (She now plays for the University of Virginia). So there you go - uniforms can make a difference! |
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What a great story...note to self...NEVER wear these type of pants to a basketball game (just in case) LOL |
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I love bustin' on him! He's so predictable!! :D Juulie, that's exactly what I'm doing!! :p |
I think that this uniform discussion has gotten way out-of-hand.
NCAA: shirt: black and white striped V-neck pants: black (belt or beltless; non-pleated or pleated; the crew does not have to be the same) NFHS: shirt: black striped shirt (Byron collar or V-neck; the crew must all wear the same style collar) pants: black (belt or beltless; non-pleated or pleated; the crew does not have to be the same) What is the problem with wearing belted pants. I prefer the beltless but who cares as long as the pants are not faded, clean, and pressed. Personally, when it comes to pleated vs. non-pleated I think that the whole crew should be the same but the rules do not require it. Having said what I said, if the StateHSAA requires it officials to all wear beltelss pants or V-neck shirts then that it what the officials are supposed to do. |
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Sure it's fashion but there's not much else to discuss!
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BTW, when was the last time you saw I D1 men's official wearing belted slacks? I don't think I've seen it in several years. |
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I got a call from the assignor last school year asking if I could accept a "last-minute afternoon game" to work with a new guy. It was a girls frosh game at 3:45 at the same school as my varsity game so I figured no problem.
My partner showed up as I was ready to toss and he was wearing beat-up white (actually more like yellow-gray) tennis shoes and black sweats. He did have a real ref shirt (not Foot Locker) and a real whistle (but no lanyard). He dropped his whistle on the floor twice in the first half so I gave him a lanyard at halftime. He actually called a good game for a newbie and I felt completely comfortable with him in the second half. Amazingly, he even knew that sliding after gaining control wasn't traveling and he gave the stop sign to the coach. He's going to be a good ref and he even dresses like one now. :-) Z |
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Here it is! ======> :) |
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I really cannot give you are reason for my opinion regarding belted/non-belted nor can I give you a reason for my opinion concerning pleated vs. non-pleated. I guess I will use the excuse that I may not know anything about art but I know what I like and what I do not like. |
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