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Rita C Wed Feb 25, 2009 01:07am

I didn't say anything
 
At halftime in tonight's game, the R says, you all need to get in the game. I told him I needed specifics. I stayed for a minute then left to get some water. Normally I'll listen but I just wasn't in the mood for it tonight. Earlier there had been some confusion as to the score. He told the two of us that we needed to take a quick glance at the score to make sure the three pointers were scored correctly?

Anyway, late in the game a techical was given. I start to head down to the correct basket when I realize that R is setting up the shot at the wrong basket! I blow my whistle and get it moved down to the correct basket.

I said nothing. Didn't need to. He knew.

Rita

Hartsy Wed Feb 25, 2009 08:06am

Nice work, Rita. When I get a partner like this, part of me hopes for a screw-up that exposes them, but then I understand that it isn't fair to the players. This, on the other hand, worked out well.

mbyron Wed Feb 25, 2009 09:34am

Verba movent, exempla trahunt. ;)

Raymond Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Hartsy (Post 582971)
Nice work, Rita. When I get a partner like this, part of me hopes for a screw-up that exposes them, but then I understand that it isn't fair to the players. This, on the other hand, worked out well.

I (U2) had a game once (3-man) where the U1 went on a mini-tirade at halftime b/c he thought too many calls were being made outside of our primaries (whether he had a point or not was lost behind his deplorable attitude). In the 2nd half U1 has a shooting foul followed immediately by a double T called by me. And what do you know, in the midst of all the reporting he loses the shooter and we end up with a correctable error. And mind you, after the 1st free throw I blew my whistle to see if we had the correct shooter and we still proceeded to let the wrong shooter shoot the 2nd free throw. The 2nd free throw missed and during the rebounding action there was a whistle for a foul. That's when the Crew Chief realized we had had the wrong shooter.

BillyMac Wed Feb 25, 2009 07:29pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 582999)
Verba movent, exempla trahunt

Words move people, examples compel them. Deeds, not words, give the example.

It's hard enough translating mbyron English into plain English, now I have to deal with mbyron Latin?

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 25, 2009 07:46pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 583257)
Words move people, examples compel them. Deeds, not words, give the example.

It's hard enough translating mbyron English into plain English, now I have to deal with mbyron Latin?

I took two years of Latin in HS and two years in college. My most vivid memory was from the textbook we used my first year in which words were "made up" to simulate Latin just to get us interested. One story was about a boy and a girl who went on a "picus-nicus" and drank "cocam-colam". No, I'm not kidding.

BillyMac Wed Feb 25, 2009 08:18pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 583264)
I took two years of Latin in HS and two years in college.

Why did these schools allow you to take these courses for credit when Latin was the language that you, and your family, spoke at home. The Padgett family had a good thing going, until the Huns showed up. Sand-bagger.

williebfree Wed Feb 25, 2009 08:54pm

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JPaco54 Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:19am

Sounds like you were having a bit of a rough night. I don't see anything wrong with R saying you need to get in the game. There are some nights I may be a bit off and not as focused. So...a little directive to get in the game is helpful and I get in the game. A little nudge doesnt hurt, we all need a little correctable encouragement, but i will say it all depends on how one delivers it...

Rita C Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 583413)
Sounds like you were having a bit of a rough night. I don't see anything wrong with R saying you need to get in the game. There are some nights I may be a bit off and not as focused. So...a little directive to get in the game is helpful and I get in the game. A little nudge doesnt hurt, we all need a little correctable encouragement, but i will say it all depends on how one delivers it...

It's a meaningless phrase. Actually I thought we were doing fine.

Rita

Adam Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:16pm

Sounds to me the R was projecting.

mbyron Fri Feb 27, 2009 08:02am

Who are you calling an idiom?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 583257)
Words move people, examples compel them. Deeds, not words, give the example.

It's hard enough translating mbyron English into plain English, now I have to deal with mbyron Latin?

A more idiomatic translation: "practice what you preach."

refguy Fri Feb 27, 2009 02:04pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 583045)
I (U2) had a game once (3-man) where the U1 went on a mini-tirade at halftime b/c he thought too many calls were being made outside of our primaries (whether he had a point or not was lost behind his deplorable attitude). In the 2nd half U1 has a shooting foul followed immediately by a double T called by me. And what do you know, in the midst of all the reporting he loses the shooter and we end up with a correctable error. And mind you, after the 1st free throw I blew my whistle to see if we had the correct shooter and we still proceeded to let the wrong shooter shoot the 2nd free throw. The 2nd free throw missed and during the rebounding action there was a whistle for a foul. That's when the Crew Chief realized we had had the wrong shooter.

One game where it was a terribly played game by both teams and we get to the locker room and R says we could have done better. When pressed how, he said and I quote, "um...er...well uh...." U1 and I were able to talk after and went over plays and concluded we had over 50 fouls and the only way our crew could have been better would have been if the R would have had no calls on at least 4 or 5 occasions. Next time I worked with him he said I did much better this game than last. Go figure. I found out he won't think the game is going well unless he has the majority of the calls.

Rich Fri Feb 27, 2009 02:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 583413)
Sounds like you were having a bit of a rough night. I don't see anything wrong with R saying you need to get in the game. There are some nights I may be a bit off and not as focused. So...a little directive to get in the game is helpful and I get in the game. A little nudge doesnt hurt, we all need a little correctable encouragement, but i will say it all depends on how one delivers it...

Sounds to me like the R needed to look in the mirror and repeat the following: "Pot. Kettle. Black."

Frankly, most times an official says something that starts with "you need to" in a game he is ALSO working, he needs to shut up and take care of his own.

Rich Fri Feb 27, 2009 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by refguy (Post 583855)
One game where it was a terribly played game by both teams and we get to the locker room and R says we could have done better. When pressed how, he said and I quote, "um...er...well uh...." U1 and I were able to talk after and went over plays and concluded we had over 50 fouls and the only way our crew could have been better would have been if the R would have had no calls on at least 4 or 5 occasions. Next time I worked with him he said I did much better this game than last. Go figure. I found out he won't think the game is going well unless he has the majority of the calls.

I don't quite get this "R" thing. I was the R last night. I tossed the jump. After that, we were a team that had coverage responsibilities. Just cause the quarter starts with the ball in my hand doesn't make me special.

refguy Fri Feb 27, 2009 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583858)
I don't quite get this "R" thing. I was the R last night. I tossed the jump. After that, we were a team that had coverage responsibilities. Just cause the quarter starts with the ball in my hand doesn't make me special.

I see it the same way. Who rally cares right? Well in talking with him, he even said he takes offense when he's not listed as the R. He said supervisors aren't looking for U2's, they're looking for R's. While I agree with that to an extent, somebody has to be U1 and U2 on every game. It takes more talent to be able to fill any slot on a crew than just be good at one - I'm in charge and I need everyone in the gym to know it.

Rich Fri Feb 27, 2009 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by refguy (Post 583874)
He said supervisors aren't looking for U2's, they're looking for R's.

Camp-speak. I love it. Whenever someone uses this line outside of a camp and means it, I have to turn away so I don't get a case of the giggles.

OHBBREF Fri Feb 27, 2009 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583879)
Camp-speak. I love it.

It is that time of year again!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583879)
Whenever someone uses this line outside of a camp and means it, I have to turn away so I don't get a case of the giggles.

despite the humor involved, what the people I talk to are looking for is someone who has excelent knowledge of the rules, and how to enforce them in the context of the game at hand. They are looking for someone who is a good communicator, a manager, a leader, and can bring out the best in thier partners weather they are the "R" or the "U2" on the game.
I am sure J Rut might have some comments about this specific phrase.

Rich Fri Feb 27, 2009 04:01pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 583892)
despite the humor involved, what the people I talk to are looking for is someone who has excelent knowledge of the rules, and how to enforce them in the context of the game at hand. They are looking for someone who is a good communicator, a manager, a leader, and can bring out the best in thier partners weather they are the "R" or the "U2" on the game.
I am sure J Rut might have some comments about this specific phrase.

Whether I'm the R, U1, or U2 on my game, I'm there to run it, not stand around like a wallflower while someone else does. Getting assigned to a position in a HS game doesn't change that.

Tonight I'll be the U in a 2-person boys game, guess I don't have to work. :D

OHBBREF Fri Feb 27, 2009 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583898)
Whether I'm the R, U1, or U2 on my game, I'm there to run it, not stand around like a wallflower while someone else does. Getting assigned to a position in a HS game doesn't change that.

Tonight I'll be the U in a 2-person boys game, guess I don't have to work. :D

So you do exactly what the assignors, evaluators are looking for. that is great.
I can count on one hand this year, the number of High school partners I worked with that had that attitude when not the R, and unfortuanately not many more of the college people were stepping up either.

Rita C Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583858)
I don't quite get this "R" thing. I was the R last night. I tossed the jump. After that, we were a team that had coverage responsibilities. Just cause the quarter starts with the ball in my hand doesn't make me special.

Some people need to be "in charge" Rich.

Rita

Adam Sat Feb 28, 2009 01:32am

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Originally Posted by Rita C (Post 584004)
Some people need to be "in charge" Rich.

Rita

You're right, it's a personality flaw, IMO.

BillyMac Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:56am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 583705)
A more idiomatic translation: "practice what you preach."

Now why couldn't you say that in the first place? Instead, I have eleven and three-quarter more months on my $49.99 subscription to an online Latin translator, although it did come in handy when I was responding to eg-italy's Italian posts.

Rich Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 584016)
You're right, it's a personality flaw, IMO.

And those that are the most aggressive about it usually are lacking in other areas, such as people skills or, well, officiating skills.

BillyMac Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:00am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 583858)
I don't quite get this "R" thing. I was the R last night. I tossed the jump. After that, we were a team that had coverage responsibilities. Just cause the quarter starts with the ball in my hand doesn't make me special.

IAABO mechanics now allow the referee to designate the jump ball tosser. Does that mean that the "tosser" must inbound the ball after intermissions? Does that mean that the same official who tossed to start the game must also toss to start an overtime (no comments from Mark Padgett, please)?

Rich Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:09am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 584069)
IAABO mechanics now allow the referee to designate the jump ball tosser. Does that mean that the "tosser" must inbound the ball after intermissions? Does that mean that the same official who tossed to start the game must also toss to start an overtime (no comments from Mark Padgett, please)?

The R inbounds to start the other quarters. I believe that the R could designate the toss again to start the OT. I had 2 OT games this season, first ones in 2 years.

imaref Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:18am

Rich.....when ya headed to "warmer" clims?
 
Have pitchers and catchers reported yet? Got your BB/SB tests done? Got a good schedule? Maybe I'll catch some of your games when the weather warms up....and the rain subsides.

Enjoy your between season break!

Peace!

Rich Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:20am

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Originally Posted by imaref (Post 584074)
Have pitchers and catchers reported yet? Got your BB/SB tests done? Got a good schedule? Maybe will catch some of your games when the weather warms up....and the rain subsides.

Enjoy your between season break!

Peace!

Hey! It's still basketball season until about 5:30PM this afternoon! I'm working a regional final. Then I'm done.


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