Why coaches are idiots.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Doug
coaches are idiots because they are lost in the sauce, and understand nothing! Or most of them...

Except the one I worked for yesterday. He told me he was really impressed with me, and that he was going to request me for his games this coming season. I know we aren't supposed to believe them if they say we are good, unless we are also going to beleieve them if they say we are bad. But it sure felt good, nonetheless.

Then we were at a Portland Fire game last night and at half-time he was getting an award for being an outstanding high school girls' coach!! i had a hard time not standing up and shouting!!

Of course, the real proof will be next winter, when he loses by 2 because of a foul I call on his player in the last 20 seconds...

PS I'm not talking about Brad Smith or Carl Tinsley. They got awards too, but I wasn't working for them.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by mick

Rut,
I assume no baskets were scored. What was the coach yelling about "all of the points"? If there was a basket scored, wouldn't we have to have corrected it right then, after the first basket?
mick

We only had one live ball sense the "correctable" situation. But during that period a 3 point shot was made one of the times up the court. Then a dead ball, the out of bounds play, then we were told about the mistake we had made by not shooting FTs. The coach wanted the 3 point shot whipped completely away, which we could not have done anyway correctable error or not.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by rpirtle
Basket made...dead ball. Ball at disposal...ball thrown in...end of time to correct error. Or so I thought.

Ball was not thrown in yet. The table informed us right after the ball was out of bounds. Still within the time frame and guidlines of 2-10-2.

Peace

[zebraman]

Team B coach goes crazy saying we have to wipe off all the points that happen in between the time of the mistake and the out of bounds violation.

Good job with your rule knowledge here Rut. He went crazy despite your presence and game management skills which has been known to happen from time to time. And when he goes home to look up the rule in the book (for his "complaint" to the league director), he'll find that you got it right. End of story.

Z

I thought you didn't do AAU?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman
Team B coach goes crazy saying we have to wipe off all the points that happen in between the time of the mistake and the out of bounds violation.

Good job with your rule knowledge here Rut. He went crazy despite your presence and game management skills which has been known to happen from time to time. And when he goes home to look up the rule in the book (for his "complaint" to the league director), he'll find that you got it right. End of story.

Z

Zebraman, let us get something very straight. I have never said that coaches will not go crazy with good managment of the game or the confidence. I did say the way you handle it will go a very long way in the way you are preceived as an official. And if the confidence you hold is lacking, he might continue to rant and rave about what they thought I blew. And because I was firm about it, the conversation ended and we moved on (help from my partner of course). Now this idiot coach did not know the rule. And if you think that he is actually going to go home and look up a rule that it is using anecdotal evidence to debate with me, then you are not much smarter than he is. What coach have you really ever know to be that proficiant in the rules to debate with most officials on what rule really are? See Z, I am not worried about him, I am worried about the assignors, evaluators or anyone else that has real influence in determining what officials do and how far they advance. This coach is still going to think I am stupid and do not know the rule, remember he thought I should take off points. No rule that I know takes off points for a correctable error unless we awarded points that was not valid. This was not the case here. BTW, this was not a tournament that some "director" could or would have had much say in anything any official did. This was an independant tournament that was just held this weekend. So even if this coach went back and complained, who the hell would he have complained to?

I thought you didn't do AAU?

You seem to love to try to pay close attention to other things I say, you need to pay much closer attention now. I have never said that I do not do AAU. If that was the case, I would not have talked about an AAU Regional Championship Tournament I did in Rockford, IL about 2 months ago. If I did not do AAU, I would not have done that tournament now would I? Secondly, I do not schedule AAU Tournaments or seek them out for the very reason I am telling you this story in the first place. You do not have qualified coaches or even people that coach basketball outside of these tournaments most of the time, so some Dad (HAPPY FATHERS DAY BTW!!! ) is trying to tell me what rules are and they have never taken one test or even know what the National Federation is. You can be a 1000% rules guy and be told how stupid or incompetent an official you are coming from individuals that base rules by what Bill Walton says during the Final Four or NBA Finals. Most of the time I would much rather pass and have a V8 in the process. Now having said that I did this particular game or tournament that I did was for an officiating friend of mine that asked me to help him out. I only did this because I knew who my partner was and I was doing it for this friend. Otherwise I most likely would have passed.

Peace


[Edited by JRutledge on Jun 16th, 2002 at 03:19 PM]

[zebraman]

Relax Rut. I was only half serious. Next time I'll include the smiley face. It's going to be all right. But by the way, I will admit that I don't read all your posts. Once you exceed a couple paragraphs, I tend to nod off. :-)

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman
Relax Rut. I was only half serious. Next time I'll include the smiley face. It's going to be all right. But by the way, I will admit that I don't read all your posts. Once you exceed a couple paragraphs, I tend to nod off. :-)

Z

I think you take me much more seriously than I take myself. It is only a game and certainly only a discussion.

Peace

[JRutledge]

The play that I basically called the coach and idiot, is still true, but we were wrong too but not for the same thing.

Well after the 3 point shot, the ball is dead. So unless we caught the error, which we did not, the time has elapsed to correct this error. I asked this at a camp and some college officials and State Rules Interpreters and Clinicians were there. We kicked this call because I did not take into account after the basket, we have a dead ball. And when the ball was inbounded, the time has expired. So basically we were totally wrong about shooting the 1&1. They missed the front part of the 1&1, so our mistake did not affect the game, but it could have. But then again this goes to my whole point. We kicked the call, but the coach was arguing something that was not correct at all despite what he told us. We were wrong on the application of the rule because we did not take into account when we had an actual dead ball. I guess I was concentrating more on the fact that the clock must have started. But I guess it has if you have made a basket and you have put the ball back into play.

Basically we kicked it. And look at Casebook play 2.10.2.(Happy now Tony?). Very similar to what happen to us but the casebook play has a timeout for the dead ball instead of an out of bounds. But other than that, this was almost identical.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by zebraman
I thought you didn't do AAU?

Originally posted by JRutledge
You seem to love to try to pay close attention to other things I say, you need to pay much closer attention now. I have never said that I do not do AAU.

zebraman, Rut talks so much junk, he can't keep up with it all!

Originally posted by JRutledge, May 22nd, 2002 10:09 PM

Not anymore.

Peace

http://www.officialforum.com/showthr...?threadid=4996

[zebraman]

Rut,

Despite your constant rants to the contrary, it's obvious that nobody takes this board more serious or personal than you do. But you add comic relief because your self-contradictions have become so frequent that you can't even keep track of them all. :-)

And you can rant all your want about presence, but we're paid to get the calls right. I feel bad to the kids and coaches when I kick one...whether it's my judgment that I second guess or a rule interpretation.

Z

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Today at a boys' H.S. team camp the following play happened:

A1 has the ball in his team's backcourt and is fouled by B1. My partner reports the foul and indicates which team gets the throw-in and where the throw-in will be. At this point Coach A requests a time-out which is granted. After the time-out is over, Coach A asks me WHICH team is going to get the ball for the throw-in.

The point of my posting was intended to be humorous. I know that I am not the best story teller but just read the post again guys because I think that this thread is getting far of the road I wanted to go down.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman
Rut,

Despite your constant rants to the contrary, it's obvious that nobody takes this board more serious or personal than you do. But you add comic relief because your self-contradictions have become so frequent that you can't even keep track of them all. :-)

And you can rant all your want about presence, but we're paid to get the calls right. I feel bad to the kids and coaches when I kick one...whether it's my judgment that I second guess or a rule interpretation.

Z

Right again Zebraman. I get games from here. I come here instead of going to camps. I even do not belong to associations because I can only talk to the good people of a computer discussion board to make. Sure Z, you got me down pat.

Peace

[JRutledge]

[i]Originally posted by BktBallRef

http://www.officialforum.com/showthr...?threadid=4996 [/B]

So I guess if someone asked me if I was a D1 Official and I say no. Then a week later a friend that actually does D1 asks me to cover for them and I do this D1 game, I guess to you that would be a lie? Good thing I do not live my life through you like you do me.

Do this Tony, ask me when I am doing the next one?

Peace

[BktBallRef]

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The point of my posting was intended to be humorous. I know that I am not the best story teller but just read the post again guys because I think that this thread is getting far of the road I wanted to go down.

Mark, threads on a discussion board are like children going off to college. Once we let go of them and send them into the world, they take on their own lives and we have little control of them. Wish them luck, check in on them once in a while, cry just a little when they descend into vapid discussions of Hitler. And when they come back around to the original topic, welcome them back with a warm post, clean up their old bedroom, buy their groceries till they find a summer job. . .

What were talking about again?

Chuck