Anyone here ever revoked a T?

just another ref · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by imagomer

Question - IF that Official had actually awarded and reported the T, and had been willing to discuss, and had been satisfied that there had not, in fact, been any unsporting conduct by the coach, could that official have "revoked the T?"

Anyone ever seen/done anything like this?

I've never seen this happen. Could it? I guess so. TWEET Technical foul on the coach! What's that? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, okay. Never mind. No T.

Could anything make an official look much worse? Probably not. Can you be absolutely certain what happened on every call you make? No. In a case like this, you need to be certain or not make a call.

BayStateRef · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 12:09pm

I have revoked a T. I had a varsity game with "co-coaches" -- a man and a woman. In the first half, both coaches were standing and I told the man that only the head coach could stand and there could be only one head coach. A few minutes later, the woman is standing and I issue a T for the assistant being up.

When I go to report, the man asks me why the T. He tells me that she is the "head coach" today and that he is the assistant. He said that after my "warning," they agreed she would be the head coach. He had not stood since my "warning," so I revoked the T.

When the other team's coach asked what happened, I told him: I issued a T for the assistant standing, but I since learned she was today's head coach, revoked the T and used POI to put the ball back in play. He accepted that.

I have since become much, much more careful when I have games with co-coaches. I make certain that we identify the one coach that will be the head coach for that game -- and make sure the coaches know before the game starts.

Spence · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 12:39pm

Had my partner gotten together with me after whacking a kid for slapping the backboard on an obvious block attempt we would have revoked the T. However, he immediately reported it and THEN told me he realized as soon as he blew his whistle that it was a clean play.

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 12:45pm

I have never revoked a T or seen this happen, but I am sure it could under the right circumstances. For example, giving a T for some administrative reason only to find out later that there was no violation of the rules. But for conduct situation, I cannot see anyone taking that back. Nor would I advocate such an action.

Peace

Shades of Gray · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 12:59pm

I have twice seen Ts revoked, once in a men's rec league game and once in a boys varsity game. The rec league T came after the ref made a call and turned to report it. At that point a spectator threw the ball back to the ref, hitting him in the back of the head. When the ref wheeled around and saw a player laughing, he immediately signaled a T and ejected the player from the game thinking that the player had thrown the ball at him. Fortunately, his partner had witnessed the indicident and after a conference with both coaches, both the T and the ejection were revoked.

Second time was an administrative T for having the wrong number in the scorebook. After the T was called the Visitor's coach showed the book that they had submitted to the official scorekeeper, who had copied down a number wrong. After this was shown and the official scorekeeper agreed the error was his, this T was also revoked and play continued.

Not sure if either of these are allowed by rule, but the outcome seems equitable in both cases.

JugglingReferee · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 17, 2009, 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by Shades of Gray

Second time was an administrative T for having the wrong number in the scorebook. After the T was called the Visitor's coach showed the book that they had submitted to the official scorekeeper, who had copied down a number wrong. After this was shown and the official scorekeeper agreed the error was his, this T was also revoked and play continued.

Not sure if either of these are allowed by rule, but the outcome seems equitable in both cases.

So many times coaches around here tell the table to fill in their team. If I'm around, I ask if the table would rather the coach do it. If they agree to fill in the sheet, the coach must confirm the lineup before we progress.

If the table does one team, then it's reasonable that they do both teams. Often in tournaments, the table only gets a break for those 12-15 minutes between games, so I make sure that they get that break. Also, this is when they get a chance to eat something - or visit the freshroom etc...

muxbule · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 18, 2009, 01:45am

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Originally Posted by BayStateRef

I have revoked a T. I had a varsity game with "co-coaches" -- a man and a woman. In the first half, both coaches were standing and I told the man that only the head coach could stand and there could be only one head coach. A few minutes later, the woman is standing and I issue a T for the assistant being up.

When I go to report, the man asks me why the T. He tells me that she is the "head coach" today and that he is the assistant. He said that after my "warning," they agreed she would be the head coach. He had not stood since my "warning," so I revoked the T.

When the other team's coach asked what happened, I told him: I issued a T for the assistant standing, but I since learned she was today's head coach, revoked the T and used POI to put the ball back in play. He accepted that.

I have since become much, much more careful when I have games with co-coaches. I make certain that we identify the one coach that will be the head coach for that game -- and make sure the coaches know before the game starts.

Who was at the pre-game meeting with the captains...that's my head coach for the game. No decision on your part

BayStateRef · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 18, 2009, 11:53am

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Originally Posted by muxbule

Who was at the pre-game meeting with the captains...that's my head coach for the game. No decision on your part

The man. And that is why I issued the T. But they did not know the distinction and I was not as clear as I needed to be.

Raymond · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Feb 24, 2009, 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by muxbule

Who was at the pre-game meeting with the captains...that's my head coach for the game. No decision on your part

Can't use that everywhere...coaches don't attend pre-game meetings in these parts. We mosey over to the benches around the 2:00 mark. If I don't know who the coach is I will simply ask "Who's in charge?".