Am I gettin old or is it something else????

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Then there's the defender who goes after a jump shot and there a loud smack from him hitting the shooter's arm that everyone in the place can hear.

If you didn't see it, how do you know that the defender didn't hit the shooter's hand?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you didn't see it, how do you know that the defender didn't hit the shooter's hand?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

If contact is that violent, well, then it's not incidental to an attempt to play the ball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

If contact is that violent, well, then it's not incidental to an attempt to play the ball.

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap his other hand?

How do you know that the shooter didn't slap his own leg with his off-hand?

I've had both tried on me. If you make your calls by sound instead of sight, they'll get away with it too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap his other hand?

How do you know that the shooter didn't slap his own leg with his off-hand?

I've had both tried on me. If you make your calls by sound instead of sight, they'll get away with it too.

Look, I've been around here long enough to know you're too old and stubborn to change your opinion on anything, but any official that says he never guesses or uses other non-visual cues, especially in 2-person, is simply lying.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I've been around here long enough to know you're too old and stubborn to change your opinion on anything, but any official that says he never guesses or uses other non-visual cues, especially in 2-person, is simply lying.

Either that or he calls veeeeery little.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Either that or he calls veeeeery little.

I don't run around blindly guessing all the time, either. There are times when I think there was probably a foul and I simply didn't have a good look or good feel and passed. Usually I think, well, there was a $60 (cost of a third official) call and put it behind me. Doesn't mean I work any less hard to get in position, either -- we just can't be everywhere.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Either that or he calls veeeeery little that he can't see.

Fixed it for ya...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I've been around here long enough to know you're too old and stubborn to change your opinion on anything, but any official that says he never guesses or uses other non-visual cues, especially in 2-person, is simply lying.

Naw, I'll change if I'm confronted with something reasonable. Advocating guessing on a call though is just completely wrong imho. And I ain't gonna change my mind on that.

So....shrug...we disagree.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

Well, the difference in sounds could be a clue.