Am I gettin old or is it something else????

[derwil]

Had two BV games tonight in the Regional Semi-finals. Both final scores in the 110-60 range. Finals on Monday gonna be hoppin'.

Boy are my legs dead. Getting old sucks.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by derwil

Had two BV games tonight in the Regional Semi-finals. Both final scores in the 110-60 range. Finals on Monday gonna be hoppin'.

Boy are my legs dead. Getting old sucks.

But getting old means that you can officiate using experience.

Just last night in the men's league games that I did, I made 2 foul calls during the night that were purely from experience. Rooks can't do that.

PS: kudos for getting a regional semi.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

..... I made 2 foul calls during the night that were purely from experience. .

It may be obvious to everyone else, but I really don't know just what you mean by this. Could you explain?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It may be obvious to everyone else, but I really don't know just what you mean by this. Could you explain?

It means that you know there is a foul/violation there without seeing it. It comes with doing many many games at the level that the game is. It often has to do with personalities (knowing how certain players play).

Another example: a local guy (FIBA certified) and I are doing a college pre-season game. He comes up with a foul, only to "upgrade" it to an INT about 1.5 seconds later. Turns out B1 hit A1 pretty good, and knocked a tooth out. My P was L in transition and was straightlined.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

It means that you know there is a foul/violation there without seeing it.

Are you serious?

You shouldn't be calling anything without seeing it.

That's called "guessing". And an "educated" guess is still wrong.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious?

You shouldn't be calling anything without seeing it.

That's called "guessing". And an "educated" guess is still wrong.

Eh, it's part of the territory in 2-man officiating. We do have to make educated guesses from time to time with only 4 eyes and 10 players, especially on a break.

Dribbler is being chased pretty close from behind and all of a sudden goes down hard. I didn't *see* the defender trip him or step on him, but I *know* he did as does everybody else in the joint. I call the foul. I always call that foul.

Then there's the defender who goes after a jump shot and there a loud smack from him hitting the shooter's arm that everyone in the place can hear. I didn't see a thing cause my eyes don't work that fast. It's still a foul and nobody argues it.

I don't mean I run around guessing on every call - I work to get the best position possible. But it happens and I'm not going to pass on something I *know* is there just cause I don't *see* it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Then there's the defender who goes after a jump shot and there a loud smack from him hitting the shooter's arm that everyone in the place can hear.

If you didn't see it, how do you know that the defender didn't hit the shooter's hand?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you didn't see it, how do you know that the defender didn't hit the shooter's hand?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

If contact is that violent, well, then it's not incidental to an attempt to play the ball.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious?

You shouldn't be calling anything without seeing it.

That's called "guessing". And an "educated" guess is still wrong.

When a ball goes OB and you didn't see who touched it last, but use the trick of waiting to see which way the players go, do you follow their lead, or ask your P for help with possibly going to the arrow?

Because that too, the official did not see, even if he uses the trick and ends up getting the call correct.

I would rather take my ability where I "guess" than some of the others in the city I live in. And by no means did I ever say this is a regular thing... so don't go suspecting such.

And for the record, I was 2 for 2.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

If contact is that violent, well, then it's not incidental to an attempt to play the ball.

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap his other hand?

How do you know that the shooter didn't slap his own leg with his off-hand?

I've had both tried on me. If you make your calls by sound instead of sight, they'll get away with it too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

And for the record, I was 2 for 2.

Maybe, but you're still guessing that you were 2 for 2.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap his other hand?

How do you know that the shooter didn't slap his own leg with his off-hand?

I've had both tried on me. If you make your calls by sound instead of sight, they'll get away with it too.

Look, I've been around here long enough to know you're too old and stubborn to change your opinion on anything, but any official that says he never guesses or uses other non-visual cues, especially in 2-person, is simply lying.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How do you know that the defender didn't violently slap the ball?

Well, the difference in sounds could be a clue.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I've been around here long enough to know you're too old and stubborn to change your opinion on anything, but any official that says he never guesses or uses other non-visual cues, especially in 2-person, is simply lying.

Either that or he calls veeeeery little.