What would you have done?

[stosh]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bull Sh!t! You get paid to ref the whole game, that includes the coach. Coach was warned, then you took care of it since the warning didn't work.


Iowa girls just got rid of the coaching box; boys have never had it. Even when the girls did have it, coaches were not allowed to squat or neal, IMS.

On top of that, he was a petty a$$ after the game. Got what he deserved, IMO.

I dont know how this helps the dialog here.

Since I'm not in Iowa, usually the only time I have to worry about a coach sitting is after he's gottten a T and not before. IMO if I'm worried about where the coach is coaching from, I'm more likely to miss something else, possibly more important to the outcome of the game. I would never notice his location if he was on the sideline and coaching his team, within the limits of the coaching box.

I will agree that if he was warned and didn't heed the advice, he deserves what he got.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stosh

I dont know how this helps the dialog here.

If I'd said "horse puckey," would that have been less unhelpful?

Originally Posted by stosh

Since I'm not in Iowa, usually the only time I have to worry about a coach sitting is after he's gottten a T and not before. IMO if I'm worried about where the coach is coaching from, I'm more likely to miss something else, possibly more important to the outcome of the game. I would never notice his location if he was on the sideline and coaching his team, within the limits of the coaching box.

I will agree that if he was warned and didn't heed the advice, he deserves what he got.

Look, it's obviously an issue when the coaching box is not in force. If you have a coach who has lost his coaching box priveledges, are you going to allow him to squat on the sideline, in the coaching box, as long as he's coaching his team?

Are you going to allow a coach to walk to the endline or the division line as long as he's coaching his team; even though it's 15 feet past the coaching box? It doesn't take much focus to note where the coach is located, and claiming you might miss something if you look there is like claiming you might miss a travel if you're looking for a foul.

[stosh]

you're right. pardon my ignorance.

I've probably missed seeing hundreds of coaches wander the baseline as I refereed the game.

I'll try to focus more in the future.

[doubleringer]

Here's the Iowa adapation for both boys and girls. I'm not a fan, but I enforce the rule. I wish we'd let them up and then seatbelt them when they get out of hand.

Adaptation #3 COACHES SHALL REMAIN SEATED ON THE BENCH AT ALL TIMES DURING THE GAME WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS:



a) During a time-out, coaches may leave the bench to confer with players at or near the bench.

b) In case of an injury, coaches may leave the bench to aid an injured player, provided they are beckoned onto the court by an official.

c) During an intermission, coaches may leave the bench to attend to their squads.

d) Requesting a prevention or rectification of a correctable error (Rule 2-10) as specified under Rule 5-8-4.

e) Stand up to show approval for an exciting play in the game, when a basket is scored or an outstanding play takes place by a member of their team, and then must immediately return to the bench.

f) The coach may stand up to call a time-out when his team has the ball, whether the clock is running or not and signal to call time-out.

g) Stand up to congratulate a player being substituted for.

h) The coach may confer with personnel at the scorer’s table regarding a timing error, scoring error, or alternating-possession error. If an error is not prevented or corrected, the team shall be charged with a time-out.

i) The coach will be allowed to stand and confer with a player(s) whenever the clock is NOT running. Communication with the player(s) only shall be done in a positive manner and shall take place directly in front of where the coach was seated. When the clock starts following a throw-in or last missed free throw, the coach shall immediately return to his/her seat. The officials will not delay a throw-in administration to permit a coach additional dead clock time to visit with player(s). This will allow coaches additional opportunities to stand up and instruct players while the clock is NOT running during the game.

j) Disqualified player---Upon the head coach’s notification of the disqualified player, the coach may stand to congratulate the disqualified player and may walk the confines of his/her bench to select a replacement for the disqualified player. The rule states that a disqualified player must be replaced within 20 seconds from the time the coach was notified. Any unsporting acts by the coaches are subject to being assessed a technical foul.

[Adam]

It would have been easier to note that they were not using the NFHS coaching box option.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stosh

you're right. pardon my ignorance.

I've probably missed seeing hundreds of coaches wander the baseline as I refereed the game.

I'll try to focus more in the future.

Never mind me, I find I'm a bit cranky this morning.

[Official_Iowa]

"we are are play by the Iowa high school rules and that he needs to stay in his seat while the ball is live"

I thought that pretty much explained it.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I'd said "horse puckey," would that have been less unhelpful?

Is that like "misunderestimate"?

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

You should've pinned him twice, one for out of seat and one for electronic device.

[doubleringer]

I think you handled it just fine. You reminded him of the rule and then took care of business. The Iowa coaches rule is terrible. Unfortunately it isn't going away any time soon. It makes us look like jerks when we enforce the rule because often the coaches are doing nothing more than coaching. I'm curious where you were? Email me through the board if you get a chance. I work in central Iowa and I'd be curious as to which top 10 team this was. Don't let fan reactions bug you and certainly don't let the comments of an 8th grade AAU coach get to you. Unfortunately at these tournaments you don't get hospitality rooms to go have a drink. You could always let the tournament organizer know about the comment and then let it go and leave it at that.