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WLMinWA Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:26pm

How many Shots?
 
Can anyone provide a correct interpretation for this play:

Break away player fouled intentionally on a layup. Basket is successfull.
How many shots does he get??

I've checked all case books back '08/'09 back through "97/'98 with no examples of this play.

deecee Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:31pm

all intentional fouls are 2 shots on a made basket. they are also 2 or 3 shots on a missed basket.

Adam Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:32pm

Try the rules under penalty summary.

Two shots and the ball for all intentional fouls, except when a shooter is intentionally fouled during an unsuccessful three point attempt; then it's three.

grunewar Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:33pm

And, the fouled team gets the ball back at the POI - which in this case would appear to be on the endline near the basket.

I am told - I own this rule from previous experience. :o

Adam Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 573997)
And, the fouled team gets the ball back at the POI - which in this case would appear to be on the endline near the basket.

I am told - I own this rule from previous experience. :o

It's not POI, it's spot of the foul.

grunewar Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 574001)
It's not POI, it's spot of the foul.

You're right. Thanks. They get it right there!

Now I doubly own this rule!

WLMinWA Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 573995)
all intentional fouls are 2 shots on a made basket. they are also 2 or 3 shots on a missed basket.

Under the penalty summary in R.B. 10-6, it ONLY states 2 shots for intentional fouls. It DOES NOT specify whether it was made or not.

Two sentences above, still within the summary, it does state that only ONE SHOT is awarded if the TRY IS SUCCESSFUL.

In my examle the try was successful.

Adam Fri Jan 30, 2009 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WLMinWA (Post 574007)
Under the penalty summary in R.B. 10-6, it ONLY states 2 shots for intentional fouls. It DOES NOT specify whether it was made or not.

This is all you need. The reason it doesn't specify is that it doesn't matter.

Mark Padgett Fri Jan 30, 2009 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WLMinWA (Post 574007)
Under the penalty summary in R.B. 10-6, it ONLY states 2 shots for intentional fouls. It DOES NOT specify whether it was made or not.

Two sentences above, still within the summary, it does state that only ONE SHOT is awarded if the TRY IS SUCCESSFUL.

In my examle the try was successful.

In the "sentences above" sentence, it is the penalty for a common foul. 10-6 penalty 4 says "Two free throws if intentional or flagrant, plus ball for throw-in". That means it's one free throw on a successful try unless the foul is intentional or flagrant, then it's two shots.

rsl Fri Jan 30, 2009 02:37pm

Here is the case:

4.19.3 SITUATION A: B1 is charged with an intentional foul on A1 who is in the
act of shooting: (a) a successful two-point or three-point try; (b) an unsuccessful
two-point try; or (c) an unsuccessful three-point try. RULING: In (a) and (b),
A1 is awarded two free throws. In (c), A1 is awarded three free throws. In all situations
following the free throws, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the out-of bounds
spot nearest the foul.

JugglingReferee Fri Jan 30, 2009 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WLMinWA (Post 573990)
Can anyone provide a correct interpretation for this play:

Break away player fouled intentionally on a layup. Basket is successfull.
How many shots does he get??

I've checked all case books back '08/'09 back through "97/'98 with no examples of this play.

Intentional foul penalties:
  • no shooting motion in progress
  • 2 shots for the player fouled, or his substitute if injured + possession nearest where foul occured
  • shooting motion in progress:
  • basket good: 2 shots + possession nearest where foul occured
  • basket not good: 2-point try: 2 shots + possession nearest where foul occured
  • basket not good: 3-point try: 3 shots + possession nearest where foul occured

zm1283 Fri Jan 30, 2009 02:51pm

All you have to remember is the only time you don't shoot 2 is on an unsuccessful three point try, then it's 3 shots.

Raymond Fri Jan 30, 2009 03:09pm

Can we sticky this thread? This question comes up every 2 weeks.

IREFU2 Fri Jan 30, 2009 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 574045)
Can we sticky this thread? This question comes up every 2 weeks.

Hey big dog, call me at work!!!

mbyron Sat Jan 31, 2009 08:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsl (Post 574020)
Here is the case:

4.19.3 SITUATION A: B1 is charged with an intentional foul on A1 who is in the
act of shooting: (a) a successful two-point or three-point try; (b) an unsuccessful
two-point try; or (c) an unsuccessful three-point try. RULING: In (a) and (b),
A1 is awarded two free throws. In (c), A1 is awarded three free throws. In all situations
following the free throws, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the out-of bounds
spot nearest the foul
.

And of course that means: clear the lane. (Not mentioned so far...)


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