Tech and possession at quarter break?

[walter]

Here's something I witnessed the other night and our organization has had quite a bit of discussion about. End of 3rd quarter. a1 drives to basket, releases ball, gets fouled by B1 while still in the air, horn sounds, ball goes in. Official makes the call and counts the basket. Before A1 shoots his free throw (with no one lined up), B1 decides to tell the official what he thought about the call. Whack! A1 shoots his free throw and then A2 shoots both free throws for the "T". Arrow belongs to Team B. Here is where the discussion started. There was a group of officials who believed that Team A was entitled to the ball to start the 4th due to the technical. The other camp, which I agree with, felt that the T was part of the third quarter and when that quarter's activity ended with the ball becoming dead after the second free throw for the T, so did Team A's opportunity to get the ball due to the T. Therefore, the 4th quarter starts with Team B getting the throw in since no part of a penalty can carry over. The camp I was in relied on 5-6-2(3). I felt I'd bring it here to see where the "experts" could weigh in.

[Adam]

You are right. Penalties do not carry over from one quarter.
The quarter does not end until all related activities are complete, this includes A1's free throw

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You are right. Penalties do not carry over from one quarter.
The quarter does not end until all related activities are complete, this includes A1's free throw

Has the NFHS defined "related activity?"

5-6-4 deals specifically with a T after a quarter has ended. 5-6-3 only uses the term "related activity."

What tells me that the T FTs should be shot before the next quarter starts?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

Has the NFHS defined "related activity?"

5-6-4 deals specifically with a T after a quarter has ended. 5-6-3 only uses the term "related activity."

What tells me that the T FTs should be shot before the next quarter starts?

The part that says no penalties shall be carried over to the next quarter. The same thing that says if B1 commits a common foul (before the bonus) as the quarter expires, A does not get a throwin for the foul to start the next quarter.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You are right. Penalties do not carry over from one quarter.
The quarter does not end until all related activities are complete, this includes A1's free throw

Ok, so in the situation stated by Walter, A1's free throw ends the 3rd quarter. The 4th quarter would start with Team A's free throws for the technical and Team A inbounding the ball even though Team B has the arrow. Is that correct?

[JS 20]

The NFHS "Rules by Topic" book states: "If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws."

Also, in Walter's scenario, the head coach would be issued an indirect T as all players are bench personnell during intermissions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JS 20

The NFHS "Rules by Topic" book states: "If a technical foul occurs after the ball has become dead to end a quarter, the next quarter is started by administering the free throws."

Also, in Walter's scenario, the head coach would be issued an indirect T as all players are bench personnell during intermissions.

This is incorrect. The ball will not become dead to end the third quarter (in walter's scenario) until the final free throw is completed.

[JS 20]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is incorrect. The ball will not become dead to end the third quarter (in walter's scenario) until the final free throw is completed.

You're right, my bad on that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Ok, so in the situation stated by Walter, A1's free throw ends the 3rd quarter. The 4th quarter would start with Team A's free throws for the technical and Team A inbounding the ball even though Team B has the arrow. Is that correct?

No, because the technical foul was called before the free throws had been attempted; that means the technical foul was called in the third quarter and it's penalties cannot be carried over to the next.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=Rufus;573594]Ok, so in the situation stated by Walter, A1's free throw ends the 3rd quarter. The 4th quarter would start with Team A's free throws for the technical and Team A

No (unless I'm misreading the play).

The play was: Foul, Horn, T, FTs for the foul.

The quarter doesn't end until the FTs are shot. So, the T was during the third quarter. The FTs for the T will be shot as part of the third quarter and there will be no throw-in as part of the T.

The fourht quarter will start "as usual" -- with an AP throw-in determined by the arrow.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No (unless I'm misreading the play).

The play was: Foul, Horn, T, FTs for the foul.

The quarter doesn't end until the FTs are shot. .

IF the T had been assessed after the 2 FTs were shot would the qtr have ended before the T? Say they were walking to the bench and the T was assessed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

IF the T had been assessed after the 2 FTs were shot would the qtr have ended before the T? Say they were walking to the bench and the T was assessed.

Then yes, the T would be part of the next quarter.

[Rufus]

Thanks Snaqwells and Bob. I understand the rule a lot better now, that's for sure, and will be sure to call it that way.