While I have your attention

[wbrown]

I was rereading the rule book the other night and came across an unusal rule.
Under Rule 10 penalties.
6. Multiple foul:
(a) One free throw for each foul:
(1) No try invovled.
(2) Successful or unsuccessful two-point try or tap.
(3) Successful three-point try or tap.

My question is has anyone ever called a multiple foul where no try was invovled and awarded one free throw for each foul.

This one left me scratching my head. I have seen multiple fouls at the end of a game where a team is trying to foul but never thought to call multiple fouls let alone award shots for it.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by wbrown

This one left me scratching my head. I have seen multiple fouls at the end of a game where a team is trying to foul but never thought to call multiple fouls let alone award shots for it.

I never have called a multiple foul. I can't see myself calling one in this situation either.

[Indianaref]

Let us know if you find an official that has called this.

[BktBallRef]

What's a multiple foul?

[slow whistle]

Never

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

What's a multiple foul?

manbearpig

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

manbearpig

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zfGmf8L3-z0

[wbrown]

A multiple foul by definition.
Rule 4.19.11 A multiple foul is a situation in which there are two or more teammates commit personal fouls against the same opponent at approimately the same time.

Case Book

4.19.11 B1 and B2 foul A1 at the same time while A1 is: (a) dribbling down the lane; (b) in the act of shooting a successful or unsuccessful two-point try; (c) a successful three-point try; or (d) an unsuccesful three-point try.

Ruling: One free throw for each foul in (a) (b) and (c) and two free throws for each in (d). (10 penalty 6).

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by wbrown

A multiple foul by definition.
Rule 4.19.11 A multiple foul is a situation in which there are two or more teammates commit personal fouls against the same opponent at approimately the same time.

Case Book

4.19.11 B1 and B2 foul A1 at the same time while A1 is: (a) dribbling down the lane; (b) in the act of shooting a successful or unsuccessful two-point try; (c) a successful three-point try; or (d) an unsuccesful three-point try.

Ruling: One free throw for each foul in (a) (b) and (c) and two free throws for each in (d). (10 penalty 6).

wbrown, except for testing purposes, a mulitple foul doesn't exist. Don't think about, and NEVER call it.

[Back In The Saddle]

They most certainly do exist. I called two in a single game just the other night.

I was working Area 51 league and it was Sasquatch and the Easter Bunny that kept fouling this little Martian point guard. I guess it's tough to guard somebody with four arms.

[M&M Guy]

Bill - this is the perfect example of what separates the "rule book ref" from a good official. What BITS and BktBallRef are subtly telling you is, even though there is a rule in the book about about multiple fouls, in practice it is very rarely, if ever, called. In reality, B1 commited the foul a millisecond before B2, therefore the second contact is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. The rule is probably in there because someone asked at some point, "What if two different players fouled at EXACTLY the same time?" In realty this almost never happens.

You mentioned in a different thread about being called a "rule book ref". Everyone should know the rules, however there is an art to knowing the rules, and knowing when and how they are applied. That is what separates a good official from a "rule book ref". In this case, calling a multiple foul would mean you are a "rule book ref". Knowing that an intentional foul means two shots and possession, no matter if it is a foul on a shot or not, is an example of being a good official.

Many of us are still perfecting that art. Does that make sense?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Bill - this is the perfect example of what separates the "rule book ref" from a good official. What BITS and BktBallRef are subtly telling you is, even though there is a rule in the book about about multiple fouls, in practice it is very rarely, if ever, called. In reality, B1 commited the foul a millisecond before B2, therefore the second contact is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. The rule is probably in there because someone asked at some point, "What if two different players fouled at EXACTLY the same time?" In realty this almost never happens.

You mentioned in a different thread about being called a "rule book ref". Everyone should know the rules, however there is an art to knowing the rules, and knowing when and how they are applied. That is what separates a good official from a "rule book ref". In this case, calling a multiple foul would mean you are a "rule book ref". Knowing that an intentional foul means two shots and possession, no matter if it is a foul on a shot or not, is an example of being a good official.

Many of us are still perfecting that art. Does that make sense?

Unsuccessful three-point attempt?

[JRutledge]

Pick one and move on.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

wbrown, except for testing purposes, a mulitple foul doesn't exist. Don't think about, and NEVER call it.

Is a lecture coming soon?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is a lecture coming soon?

Peace

Nah, M&M took care of that already.