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I was rereading the rule book the other night and came across an unusal rule.
Under Rule 10 penalties.
6. Multiple foul:
(a) One free throw for each foul:
(1) No try invovled.
(2) Successful or unsuccessful two-point try or tap.
(3) Successful three-point try or tap.

My question is has anyone ever called a multiple foul where no try was invovled and awarded one free throw for each foul.

This one left me scratching my head. I have seen multiple fouls at the end of a game where a team is trying to foul but never thought to call multiple fouls let alone award shots for it.

I never have called a multiple foul. I can't see myself calling one in this situation either.

Let us know if you find an official that has called this.

What's a multiple foul? :rolleyes:

Never

manbearpig

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A multiple foul by definition.
Rule 4.19.11 A multiple foul is a situation in which there are two or more teammates commit personal fouls against the same opponent at approimately the same time.

Case Book

4.19.11 B1 and B2 foul A1 at the same time while A1 is: (a) dribbling down the lane; (b) in the act of shooting a successful or unsuccessful two-point try; (c) a successful three-point try; or (d) an unsuccesful three-point try.

Ruling: One free throw for each foul in (a) (b) and (c) and two free throws for each in (d). (10 penalty 6).

wbrown, except for testing purposes, a mulitple foul doesn't exist. Don't think about, and NEVER call it.

They most certainly do exist. I called two in a single game just the other night.

I was working Area 51 league and it was Sasquatch and the Easter Bunny that kept fouling this little Martian point guard. I guess it's tough to guard somebody with four arms.

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Bill - this is the perfect example of what separates the "rule book ref" from a good official. What BITS and BktBallRef are subtly telling you is, even though there is a rule in the book about about multiple fouls, in practice it is very rarely, if ever, called. In reality, B1 commited the foul a millisecond before B2, therefore the second contact is ignored unless intentional or flagrant. The rule is probably in there because someone asked at some point, "What if two different players fouled at EXACTLY the same time?" In realty this almost never happens.

You mentioned in a different thread about being called a "rule book ref". Everyone should know the rules, however there is an art to knowing the rules, and knowing when and how they are applied. That is what separates a good official from a "rule book ref". In this case, calling a multiple foul would mean you are a "rule book ref". Knowing that an intentional foul means two shots and possession, no matter if it is a foul on a shot or not, is an example of being a good official.

Many of us are still perfecting that art. Does that make sense?

Unsuccessful three-point attempt? :p

Pick one and move on.

Peace

Is a lecture coming soon? :D

Peace

Nah, M&M took care of that already.

The MF rule is basically there to keep in your pocket and pull it out when it can be used effectively. When? Good question. One situation might be late in the game where a team too far behind to do any good is still fouling (2 or more players involved, obviously) and the team they are fouling is not in the bonus. If you are concerned about player safety, you might call a MF, put the player on the line, and move on. Another situation might be a fight that breaks out during a live ball. You can judge a flagrant MF on 2 players and throw them both out.

I've never called one either and I can't think of too many situations where an intentional or flagrant foul might not be better.

Yea, yea, I know. I guess I was trying to address his other thread on the subject, where the vet screwed up the penalties and not only called an "intentional" a technical foul, but penalized the foul incorrectly. My point was in that case, knowing the correct penalty makes you a good official, not simply a "rule book ref".

Listen to what I mean, not what I say. :D

I know; I was just buggin' ya. But I'm sure that somebody would have said something, at some point.

This works in most cases; but not when B1 and B2 come in and foul an airborne shooter.

True. Even though I am sometimes on the side of just following what the book says, I have never seen this one called. What's most common, I find, is that B1 plays good defense, perhaps even blocks a shot, and B2 fouls the shooter. Then, B1 chirps at B2 for thwarting his efforts. :)

I wouldn't be afraid to call it; but I do not want to be the first one in my city to make this call. ;)

I hear this all the time.
 

Whatsa matter with you guys? Don't you know the MF RULES?

Sorry, it was just too obvious.

I did this once in football. Another official said I made the wrong call. I asked a college crew chief his take, and he agreed with me. In the end, a million chinese won't care tomorrow.

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The ONLY time I could imagine calling a multiple foul is if both/all fouls were intentional (excessive contact variety) or flagrant. I simply would not let such a foul go just because it would be part of a mulitple.

Did you know: if you're one in a million, there are 1500 people just like you in China?

That's probably the only situation...
 

...where anyone would try to call that. It's still going to be painful though, and I wouldn't want to be there.

Just to put everyone at ease, I have never called a multiple foul nor do I ever foresee the opportunity. It was just one of those things that when you read it you say, I wonder if anyone has ever called it. Especially the one where it is a non shooting foul and you award two :)shots. I would love to hear the coach/referee dialogue.

Had a 3-whistle multiple foul once in a deaf tournament. It was late in the game, and the team trailing actually had 3 players commit fouls at the same time, on 3 different offensive players. All 3 of us blew our whistles, and found ourselves with three different numbers. I told my partners (who didn't know any sign language) to go ahead and report theirs, and then I would report mine last, because I knew the losing coach was going to blow his stack. Sure enough, when I reported the third number, the coach went ballastic on me, hightailing into my direction to give me the what-for, and I added a T to the nice little mess. I turned around to get with the partners on administration of the three multiple fouls and the T, when there was a commotion that distracted one of my partners and caused him to assess the losing coach his second T and an ejection. What a mess.

The next year when I worked the tournament, in a different city with different partners, that same coach made a line about me hating his team, and I didn't catch it, but so many of the fans told me afterwards. Some people just don't get it.

First of all, you're talking about simultaneous fouls, not multiple fouls.

Secondly, I have the same philosophy about simultaneous fouls as I do multiple fouls - one of them happened first. Get together, figure out which one it was, ignore the other(s) unless it's intentional or flagrant.

No -- simultaneous fouls are committed by opponents.

He might be referring to "false multiple" foul, but I agree that in this instance, one occurred first and the others should be ignored unless I or F.

As usual you are correct. Now that I've got my book open, there isn't a definition that fits two or more fouls at the same time by the same team against different opponents. I suppose false multiple may fit, but it would normally be a foul during subsequent live ball but before the clock has started.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine when, outside of actions that are intentional/flagrant, it would ever fit to report the fouls as described.

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MTD, Sr.

You peak my curiosity what is ROFLMAO!!

He's rolling on the floor laughing his arse off.

Ew. Peak, peek, pique.

Try again? (Think "French")

Maybe his curiosity peaked. I think my interest has.

That's what happened when I peeked at this thread.

Rolling On Floor Laughing My A$$ Off!!

MTD, Sr.

Say Again ???
 

Laughing your $2.00 off?