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tjones1 Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:40am

Marquette/Providence
 
Did anyone see this game and the fan that walked out onto the court to confront an official right before a free throw?

I guess there was a no-call that resulted in a player having to leave due to a cut(?). I guess this player's third or fourth cousin didn't like it and came out onto the court to talk to the official getting ready to administer a free throw. He was sitting right behind their bench and stepped over the chairs and came onto the floor.

I hope this man learned a valuable lesson this evening in jail.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:47am

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 569746)
Did anyone see this game and the fan that walked out onto the court to confront an official right before a free throw?

I guess there was a no-call that resulted in a player having to leave due to a cut(?). I guess this player's third or fourth cousin didn't like it and came out onto the court to talk to the official getting ready to administer a free throw. He was sitting right behind their bench and stepped over the chairs and came onto the floor.

I hope this man learned a valuable lesson this evening in jail.

SportsCenter has shown this clip several times already, and I'm sure that it will be shown quite a few more.

Bizarre. :eek:

JRutledge Sun Jan 18, 2009 01:00am

I did see the play right after the incident happen. And the play in question was not at all dirty or malicious in any way. It was clearly an unfortunate accident.

Wierd is right.

Peace

Nevadaref Sun Jan 18, 2009 01:35am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 569752)

Wierd is right.

No, that's the wrong spelling. :p

Nevadaref Sun Jan 18, 2009 01:36am

BTW Espn is reporting that the guy who came out of the stands was the brother of the injured player.

JRutledge Sun Jan 18, 2009 01:37am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 569755)
No, that's the wrong spelling. :p

Wow, you got me. How will I ever recover from such a spelling mistake where you type material? :rolleyes:

Peace

aschramm Sun Jan 18, 2009 01:49am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4eguhhL0o

The person comes in at about 1:45.

shishstripes Sun Jan 18, 2009 03:56am

Anybody notice that he traveled before the contact? Ends his dribble with right foot down and right foot returned to the floor.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 18, 2009 07:22am

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Originally Posted by shishstripes (Post 569764)
Anybody notice that he traveled before the contact? Ends his dribble with right foot down and right foot returned to the floor.

Fabulous observation and a correct one. :)

Blue 21 does catch the offensive player in the head with his left forearm or elbow as he is raising his arms up to defend the shot attempt. It is the arm with the compression sleeve on it that makes the contact.

JRutledge Sun Jan 18, 2009 08:57am

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Originally Posted by shishstripes (Post 569764)
Anybody notice that he traveled before the contact? Ends his dribble with right foot down and right foot returned to the floor.

Yes, it looked that way.

Peace

mbyron Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:18pm

I saw the play live. The defender brought his hand up and clipped the shooter in the eye. The foul was called, and a sub shot the FT's.

The brother was on the court during the first FT, which was good, and the officials counted it. I suppose it would have been "disconcerting" had the thrower missed. The C official must have seen him come onto the court, and I was surprised that he didn't suspend play.

It was a little weird. Marquette took their players off the court while security removed the fan.

I think the officials handled the entire situation exactly right.

just another ref Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by shishstripes (Post 569764)
Anybody notice that he traveled before the contact? Ends his dribble with right foot down and right foot returned to the floor.

Bob Knight and I noticed.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 18, 2009 05:59pm

Quite honestly, the reaction of the player as he left the floor wasn't much better. it was a freak accident. Evidently, it's a family of hot heads.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 18, 2009 08:01pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 569863)
I saw the play live. The defender brought his hand up and clipped the shooter in the eye. The foul was called, and a sub shot the FT's.

The brother was on the court during the first FT, which was good, and the officials counted it. I suppose it would have been "disconcerting" had the thrower missed. The C official must have seen him come onto the court, and I was surprised that he didn't suspend play.

It was a little weird. Marquette took their players off the court while security removed the fan.

I think the officials handled the entire situation exactly right.

Perhaps "successful" would be a better choice of words there. The way that it reads now, one gets the impression that the author is expressing the opinion that the brother coming out onto the court during play was a positive thing. :eek: Obviously, that is not the case, but the idea is amusing.

PS
I think that opportunities for anyone on here to criticize the diction or sentence structure of mbyron are going to be very rare. ;)

A Pennsylvania Coach Mon Jan 19, 2009 07:30am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 569863)
I saw the play live. The defender brought his hand up and clipped the shooter in the eye. The foul was called, and a sub shot the FT's.

I saw the play on YouTube. The foul was NOT called (I'm not sure there was a foul on the contact in question) but a Providence teammate picked up the loose ball and was fouled in the act of shooting.

mbyron Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:56am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 569884)
Perhaps "successful" would be a better choice of words there. The way that it reads now, one gets the impression that the author is expressing the opinion that the brother coming out onto the court during play was a positive thing. :eek: Obviously, that is not the case, but the idea is amusing.

PS
I think that opportunities for anyone on here to criticize the diction or sentence structure of mbyron are going to be very rare. ;)

Nevada, I placed my modifier correctly, in a non-restrictive relative clause directly after the word or phrase modified. Only a (perhaps ironic) misreading yields the interpretation you suggest.

From one rules geek to another. ;)

BillyMac Mon Jan 19, 2009 07:35pm

"I wuuuld layk tuu baay a dihmbehrgerr" ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570020)
I placed my modifier correctly, in a non-restrictive relative clause directly after the word or phrase modified.

Sorry guys. I can't translate this into English. It's way, way, over my head. Only an advanced mbyron-English translator could successfully translate this, and I'm only a beginner. As far as I know mbyron is saying, "I would like to buy a hamburger".

Nevadaref Mon Jan 19, 2009 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 570020)
Nevada, I placed my modifier correctly, in a non-restrictive relative clause directly after the word or phrase modified. Only a (perhaps ironic) misreading yields the interpretation you suggest.

From one rules geek to another. ;)

You are, of course, correct about the placement of the modifier, and I even realized that before I wrote my post. I guess my suggestion has to be reduced to the level of what you could have done to prevent a possible misreading. :)

BTW I think that you are fantastic for the forum! :D

TravelinMan Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:17am

"Quite honestly, the reaction of the player as he left the floor wasn't much better. it was a freak accident. Evidently, it's a family of hot heads."

I think it is inappropriate for us to engage in name calling and make assumptions based on a single incident. Here is an article in the Providence Journal about the player:

http://www.projo.com/pc/content/sp_b...a067f.html?npc

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 570286)
You are, of course, correct about the placement of the modifier, and I even realized that before I wrote my post. I guess my suggestion has to be reduced to the level of what you could have done to prevent a possible misreading. :)

BTW I think that you are fantastic for the forum! :D

Get a modified room.

OHBBREF Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:06pm

Guaranteed to be a lot of cops around since it is the:
Dunkin' Dounuts Center
:rolleyes:
notice how the media doesn't deal with the story?
it has nothing to do with the brother who acted inappropriately it is all about the good kid and his trials and tribulations and the fact that he got fouled!

TravelinMan Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:34pm

OH - :(

There were already plenty of articles dealing with the inappropriateness of his brother's action. This article was meant to give a more complete picture of the player. The player was heavily criticized by one of the announcers. I've always believed once you make a point, DROP IT. One of the the announcers just kept on repeating himself (don't know his name).

deecee Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by TravelinMan (Post 570808)
"Quite honestly, the reaction of the player as he left the floor wasn't much better. it was a freak accident. Evidently, it's a family of hot heads."

I think it is inappropriate for us to engage in name calling and make assumptions based on a single incident. Here is an article in the Providence Journal about the player:

http://www.projo.com/pc/content/sp_b...a067f.html?npc

Uselss article -- the video shows it all -- No Foul - good call -- got away with a travelling and he acted like a drama queen. Ive been hit in worse places much harder and didnt have a recation near that.

I would agree with the family of hot heads comment as, I mean who comes out on the court -- the worst I have seen at AAU games I have done have been parents (and in 1 HS game -- but the kid really almost killed himself) after an injury and the coach is out there as well.

I mean come on what was the brother thinking? I would be more upset at my bro if he were acting like such a pansy. Flaling around, and throwing himself on the ground, he deserved an Oscar because I thought his defender stabbed him when he realized he had him beat to the rim.

Scrapper1 Wed Jan 21, 2009 02:17pm

I wonder if the officials stayed on the court to observe the post-game handshake. . .

BillyMac Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:44pm

Bad Boy In The Bay State ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 570888)
I wonder if the officials stayed on the court to observe the post-game handshake. . .

You're a bad boy.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 28, 2009 08:04am

Updated: January 27, 2009, 6:43 PM ET
Friars fan allegedly violated probation

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<!-- begin story body --> <!-- isa photo -->PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- The brother of a Providence basketball player who ran onto the court to confront a referee was ordered held without bail Tuesday for allegedly violating his probation from a 2005 drug conviction.
[+] Enlargehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0127...idence_300.jpg<cite>AP Photo/Michael Dwyer</cite>Jonathan Xavier, the brother of a Providence player, is led off by security after confronting a referee on court during the Friars' Jan. 17 game against Marquette.


Jonathan Xavier came down the stands and jumped over the Providence bench during a nationally televised game on Jan. 17 to confront a referee. He was upset no foul was called after his brother, Providence guard Jeff Xavier, was hit in the face by a Marquette defender's arm while he was driving to the basket.
Xavier, 24, pleaded not guilty Tuesday to the disorderly conduct charge. Bail for that charge was set at $10,000.
A hearing has been scheduled Feb. 10 for a judge to decide whether he also violated probation.
"I saw him on the court but that was an unfortunate situation. I wish none of that happened," Jeff Xavier, quoted in The Providence Journal, said after the game. "I just want to move forward."
State prosecutors said Xavier pleaded no contest in 2005 to three drug charges. He received a six-year sentence but had to serve only eight months, with the remainder suspended.
If a judge finds he violated the terms of probation, which required him to stay out of trouble, he could have to serve some or all of the remaining years behind bars.
Providence officials said they would beef up security at games, posting uniformed police officers behind team benches.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

TravelinMan Wed Jan 28, 2009 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 573169)
Updated: January 27, 2009, 6:43 PM ET
Friars fan allegedly violated probation

Comment Email Print
<cite class="source"> ESPN.com news services
</cite>

<!-- begin story body --> <!-- isa photo -->PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- The brother of a Providence basketball player who ran onto the court to confront a referee was ordered held without bail Tuesday for allegedly violating his probation from a 2005 drug conviction.
[+] Enlargehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0127...idence_300.jpg<cite>AP Photo/Michael Dwyer</cite>Jonathan Xavier, the brother of a Providence player, is led off by security after confronting a referee on court during the Friars' Jan. 17 game against Marquette.


Jonathan Xavier came down the stands and jumped over the Providence bench during a nationally televised game on Jan. 17 to confront a referee. He was upset no foul was called after his brother, Providence guard Jeff Xavier, was hit in the face by a Marquette defender's arm while he was driving to the basket.
Xavier, 24, pleaded not guilty Tuesday to the disorderly conduct charge. Bail for that charge was set at $10,000.
A hearing has been scheduled Feb. 10 for a judge to decide whether he also violated probation.
"I saw him on the court but that was an unfortunate situation. I wish none of that happened," Jeff Xavier, quoted in The Providence Journal, said after the game. "I just want to move forward."
State prosecutors said Xavier pleaded no contest in 2005 to three drug charges. He received a six-year sentence but had to serve only eight months, with the remainder suspended.
If a judge finds he violated the terms of probation, which required him to stay out of trouble, he could have to serve some or all of the remaining years behind bars.
Providence officials said they would beef up security at games, posting uniformed police officers behind team benches.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Let me guess, Nevada.....you're a Georgetown alum badmouthing Providence. :D

chartrusepengui Wed Jan 28, 2009 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 569865)
Bob Knight and I noticed.

Yeah, and if the guy hadn't been working his 47th game that week - he would have noticed it too!! :D


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