Illinois guys have any more info?

[JRutledge]

I only heard of the story on another website. I do not know who worked the game or all the circumstances surrounding the Ts. I have just heard speculation as to what happen in the game.

Peace

[slow whistle]

40-4 free throw discrepancy is a LOT in what sounds like a relatively close game....i know i know different styles of play, etc, dictate the number of fouls called each way, but that is still quite a discrepancy...4 free throws for an entire game? anybody had a game with fewer than that for a team?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

40-4 free throw discrepancy is a LOT in what sounds like a relatively close game....i know i know different styles of play, etc, dictate the number of fouls called each way, but that is still quite a discrepancy...4 free throws for an entire game? anybody had a game with fewer than that for a team?

I do not keep track of that sort of thing from my personal games, but when you settle for outside shots, you are not going to get many FT attempts. I believe St. Anne was something like 3-20 at the 3 point line. And Dwight was 5-7 from 3 point range. If that is completely true, that tells the story as far as I am concerned.

Peace

[slow whistle]

Is it considered "normal" that the offiicials names would be printed in the newspaper in a situation like this with a high school game?

[JRutledge]

Normal? I do not know about normal.

This looks like a revised or updated article. The original article I read there were no names.

I do know one of the officials and I know a few people that work that conference. I am sure I could find out.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Gee whiz, once I went to the website I kept searching for articles written by Lois Lane and pictures of Superman taken by Jimmy, then I realized the newspaper was the Daily Journal and not the Daily Planet.

MTD, Sr.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Is it considered "normal" that the offiicials names would be printed in the newspaper in a situation like this with a high school game?

Since this isn't privileged or off-the-record information, it basically comes down to the enterprise of the reporter. If he's good, he'll dig for any detail he can get, especially in this case if the officials are the part of the storm, or perceived to be part of it. One key here is the abnormal circumstances, thus the non-normal naming of names.

In today's digital age, not uncommon for rolling updates to be added to Web stories so that just says they're either a) pretty mindful as journalists or b) feel especially vested in the story (which seems to be the case here, for one reason or another).

Overall, a journalist would say this story was pretty well done. It tried to cover as many bases as possible, didn't light any torches for anyone to start mob action and gave all sides an opportunity to comment. (Except the crew or assignor, apparently -- not that they would or should have taken anyone up on such an offer.)

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Amesman

Since this isn't privileged or off-the-record information, it basically comes down to the enterprise of the reporter. If he's good, he'll dig for any detail he can get, especially in this case if the officials are the part of the storm, or perceived to be part of it. One key here is the abnormal circumstances, thus the non-normal naming of names.

In today's digital age, not uncommon for rolling updates to be added to Web stories so that just says they're either a) pretty mindful as journalists or b) feel especially vested in the story (which seems to be the case here, for one reason or another).

Overall, a journalist would say this story was pretty well done. It tried to cover as many bases as possible, didn't light any torches for anyone to start mob action and gave all sides an opportunity to comment. (Except the crew or assignor, apparently -- not that they would or should have taken anyone up on such an offer.)

Yeah even the assignor gets in on the fun - I hope he didn't go to bed before he got the call that night and first read about it when he saw his name in the morning paper! Just seems that for $55 they didn't sign up for having their names splashed across the sports section...but nobody forces us to take the floor I suppose...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Yeah even the assignor gets in on the fun - I hope he didn't go to bed before he got the call that night and first read about it when he saw his name in the morning paper! Just seems that for $55 they didn't sign up for having their names splashed across the sports section...but nobody forces us to take the floor I suppose...

The reality is whether you do something wrong or not; you should expect your name to be known anytime you work a varsity game. That is the day we tend to live in, right or wrong.

Peace

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Yeah even the assignor gets in on the fun - I hope he didn't go to bed before he got the call that night and first read about it when he saw his name in the morning paper! Just seems that for $55 they didn't sign up for having their names splashed across the sports section...but nobody forces us to take the floor I suppose...

... now I didn't say the reporter wasn't handing out lighters seeing if anybody WOULD light a few torches. But, as long as it's restrained and balanced, that IS his job, we'll be told. (In all fairness, "splashed" is probably a bit strong to describe how the officials were named since it was well into the article [but I know what you mean]. Everyone has a different tolerance level to media coverage.)

Another way to look at it is that by naming names, they can be rightfully defended as high-quality, class acts if needed (or then again, maybe not ...).

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not keep track of that sort of thing from my personal games, but when you settle for outside shots, you are not going to get many FT attempts. I believe St. Anne was something like 3-20 at the 3 point line. And Dwight was 5-7 from 3 point range. If that is completely true, that tells the story as far as I am concerned.

Peace

I agree with you it doesn't bother me, sometimes you look up and fouls are 8-0 in the second quarter (shrug)....but if you do the math and assume that this team shot 45% on non-3-pt attempts, that means they attempted somwhere around 45 non-3-pt fg's and only got fouled on 2 of them (or up to four if you assume you scored the goal for each ft)...again not saying impossible, but sounds unusual...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I agree with you it doesn't bother me, sometimes you look up and fouls are 8-0 in the second quarter (shrug)....but if you do the math and assume that this team shot 45% on non-3-pt attempts, that means they attempted somwhere around 45 non-3-pt fg's and only got fouled on 2 of them (or up to four if you assume you scored the goal for each ft)...again not saying impossible, but sounds unusual...

We do not know the turnover stats. We do not know other type of shots that were taken. All I am pointing out that one team clearly liked the 3 point shot and the other did not. And the one that did not like the 3 point shot that well, did not shoot very many of them. So that tells me that team must be looking for more outside shots than the other team.

Also St. Anne won the Class 1A State Title last year. They play a very aggressive, man to man where they guard you the entire court or guard very aggressively in the half court. From what I was told (through completely hearsay) was that St. Anne played their usual style and Dwight sat in a zone all night.

Also remember 7 Ts results in 14 FT attempts (if they are not coupled with double Ts).

Also the IHSA took action against the coach for his behavior and that tells me something.

Peace