Just like that

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You only have 2 options if the defender has LGP and the dribbler trips over the foot of that defender...(1) a cheap player control foul, or (2) no call.

True. But sometimes the defender's foot is outside the shoulders so the "trip" is the proper call.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Myth me?

I don't get it.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

True. But sometimes the defender's foot is outside the shoulders so the "trip" is the proper call.

Bob, however in basketball a proper defensive stance the foot will ALWAYS be outside the shoulder. I dont see how a defensive player can get low to play defense and keep his whole body within his shoulder. Physically impossible.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

M&M was about to start a movement to get you into the Hall of Fame.

Silly fanboys.

I saw his post and had a movement.

Is that the same thing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I saw his post and had a movement.

Is that the same thing?

Sure, but it's not getting him into the hall, no matter how many times you do it.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

Bob, however in basketball a proper defensive stance the foot will ALWAYS be outside the shoulder. I dont see how a defensive player can get low to play defense and keep his whole body within his shoulder. Physically impossible.

That's fine, but don't forget the rule on guarding (4-23-1): "A player who extends an arm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent is not considered to have LGP if contact occurs."

Iirc, there was an interp that stated the defender's legs could only be shoulder's width apart. (Or was it a college interp?)

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure, but it's not getting him into the hall, no matter how many times you do it.

Maybe he'll be like Jim Rice and get in on the last ballot.

(Anything I can do to link him with the Red Sox...)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That's fine, but don't forget the rule on guarding (4-23-1): "A player who extends an arm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent is not considered to have LGP if contact occurs."

Iirc, there was an interp that stated the defender's legs could only be shoulder's width apart. (Or was it a college interp?)

This might be what you're thinking of:

From the POE's in last year's NFHS rule book:
POE#3-DISPLACEMENT-(B): "A legal screener must be stationary prior to contact within his/her vertical plane(hands, arms, legs and feet no more than shoulder width apart).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Maybe he'll be like Jim Rice and get in on the last ballot.

(Anything I can do to link him with the Red Sox...)

Shut up.

[Adam]

Well, at least he verified his identity.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That's fine, but don't forget the rule on guarding (4-23-1): "A player who extends an arm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent is not considered to have LGP if contact occurs."

Iirc, there was an interp that stated the defender's legs could only be shoulder's width apart. (Or was it a college interp?)

I agree -- I am just talking about the defender playing on ball defense -- there is no mention of shoulder width -- as that would make playing defense impossible on ball.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree -- I am just talking about the defender playing on ball defense -- there is no mention of shoulder width -- as that would make playing defense impossible on ball.

You might want to double-check the Old One's post on last year's POE.

It doesn't make playing defense impossible. If the player can play better defense by standing on thier head, more power to them. They just have to be aware of the rules on guarding and who would be more responsible for contact if and when it occurs.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

True. But sometimes the defender's foot is outside the shoulders so the "trip" is the proper call.

Bob,
I am sure that you will be able to quote this one, but I could not find it. I see that when a SCREENER is setting a screen, the screener must "stay within his/her vertical plane with a stance approximately shoulder width apart, but I could not find that requirement under legal guarding position.

As has been pointed out, a good defensive stance really requires the players feet to be outside the shoulders. Additionally, it would be impossible for a defender stay with the dribbler with this requirement since the offensive ballhandler does not have the same restriction.

But, I have already observed that you are spot on with every rule interpretation I have seen thus far.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

You might want to double-check the Old One's post on last year's POE.

It doesn't make playing defense impossible. If the player can play better defense by standing on thier head, more power to them. They just have to be aware of the rules on guarding and who would be more responsible for contact if and when it occurs.

The old ones POE pertained to legal screen.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

The old ones POE pertained to legal screen.

Right, but that same theory applies to guarding as well. I posted the rule on guarding, and the fact that the player cannot extend a leg into the path of the player. The POE just clarifies where "extending" starts (outside shoulder width).

Remember, it doesn't say the player cannot have their feet out there, just that they no longer are considered to have LGP and are thus more reponsible if contact occurs.