Two More "Pet Peeve" Travels

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

...but "not getting it" seems to happen a lot with me.

See, you put this one up on a tee, but I'm gonna leave this one alone. For now.

I think CoachNRef is trying to say this is called inconsistantly, both because of a lack of understanding of the rules, as well as a difference in judgement between officials. I can understand it, because the jump stop is still an area I'm weak in. I think I understand the rule, but I don't think I have it down in practice yet.

[zm1283]

Someone that truly understands traveling please watch this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z4bH9Qb0g

Watch the jump stop that he does at 1:03. He picks the ball up while dribbling with his left foot on the ground and jumps off that foot. He lands simultaneously on both feet and jumps to shoot. When he landed on both feet, can he then pivot? The way I read the traveling definition it seems like that would be a travel, but I'm not sure.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Someone that truly understands traveling please watch this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z4bH9Qb0g

Watch the jump stop that he does at 1:03. He picks the ball up while dribbling with his left foot on the ground and jumps off that foot. He lands simultaneously on both feet and jumps to shoot. When he landed on both feet, can he then pivot? The way I read the traveling definition it seems like that would be a travel, but I'm not sure.

If the player jumps off one foot and lands on both, s/he cannot then pivot.

Note that "gathering the ball in the air and then landing on two feet" is also called a jump stop (by coaches and player and, I think, specifically in the NCAA rules). In this case either foot can be the pivot.

So, if a coach asks you "can my player pivot after a jump stop", you need to ask him to more specifically describe the move.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the player jumps off one foot and lands on both, s/he cannot then pivot.

Note that "gathering the ball in the air and then landing on two feet" is also called a jump stop (by coaches and player and, I think, specifically in the NCAA rules). In this case either foot can be the pivot.

So, if a coach asks you "can my player pivot after a jump stop", you need to ask him to more specifically describe the move.

And the fact that Bob presents here is yet another reason why this call is frequently misunderstood by coaches and officials alike. M&M picked up on my point.

As long as officials continue to be very inconsistent on travels, the coaches will continue to be even more confused than in most other situations.

I always taught my players the "gathering the ball in the air" jump stop -- largely because I wanted my players to be able to pivot using either foot. As time went by, I would try to break my players of the habit of the "legal" step into the jump stop for two reasons: 1. the player had no ability to pivot and 2. many referees call this move a travel even when it is done legally.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Someone that truly understands traveling please watch this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z4bH9Qb0g

Watch the jump stop that he does at 1:03. He picks the ball up while dribbling with his left foot on the ground and jumps off that foot. He lands simultaneously on both feet and jumps to shoot. When he landed on both feet, can he then pivot? The way I read the traveling definition it seems like that would be a travel, but I'm not sure.

Hopefully you'll get the play right otherwise some football official will sign on here to say basketball officials are clueless.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hopefully you'll get the play right otherwise some football official will sign on here to say basketball officials are clueless.

Basketball officials are clueless.

[jeschmit]

Check out LeBron's travel in this video! I think he traveled twice in the same move, haha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGiBX...eature=related