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referee99 Wed Jan 14, 2009 06:59pm

To be specfic re: traveling
 
When a player drags their pivot foot, it is a traveling violation because they are considered to have 'lifted their pivot foot and returned it to the floor' 4-44-3(a)?

JRutledge Wed Jan 14, 2009 07:15pm

Are you asking a question or making a statement? ;)

Peace

just another ref Wed Jan 14, 2009 07:18pm

No, actually I guess we must refer to the definition of pivot, (4-33) which specifies that the pivot foot must be "kept at its point of contact with the floor.

mick Wed Jan 14, 2009 07:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 568695)
When a player drags their pivot foot, it is a traveling violation because they are considered to have 'lifted their pivot foot and returned it to the floor' 4-44-3(a)?

Not really a lift, but dragging the pivot foot is "moving a foot in any direction in excess of the prescribed limits while holding the ball".

In other words, such movement is simply not permitted because it is not listed as being permitted.

referee99 Wed Jan 14, 2009 07:40pm

hrm.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 568703)
Not really a lift, but dragging the pivot foot is "moving a foot in any direction in excess of the prescribed limits while holding the ball".

In other words, such movement is simply not permitted because it is not listed as being permitted.

"The limits on foot movements are as follows:" comes after your quote. I'm just trying to sort which limit (specifically) has been exceeded.

mick Wed Jan 14, 2009 08:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 568709)
"The limits on foot movements are as follows:" comes after your quote. I'm just trying to sort which limit (specifically) has been exceeded.

Just tryin' to help, referee99,
But, call it your way. :cool:

[I quoted Rules by Topic [p169.], not the Rule book.]

bob jenkins Wed Jan 14, 2009 09:10pm

It seems to me that the very definition of "pivot" implies "stationary point." So, if the pivot foot is dragged, it's not stationary. In fact, if that were all that were in the rule, lifting the pivot foot to shoot or pass wouldn't be allowed -- so those are the exceptions that are written into the rule. Since dragging is inherent in the definition, no additional comment / rule is needed.


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