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Rich Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:34pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 567210)
1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

But how will the timers know? :D

Nevadaref Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:20pm

Kansas vs. Michigan State - Recap - January 10, 2009 - ESPN

"The game was officiated for the last 24-plus minutes by two officials because veteran referee Steve Welmer limped off the court with an injured right foot."

just another ref Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:30am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 567204)
I wonder what will be seen as silly 20 years from now that we do today?

Reporting a blarge as a double foul.

LDUB Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:42am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 567210)
2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul?

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 567241)
Reporting a blarge as a double foul.

That is the rule, it is not a mechanics issue.

Rich Sun Jan 11, 2009 02:29am

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 567245)
So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul?

Doesn't hurt them in the NBA. I also work with (and sometimes resemble) a guy who frequently calls a PC foul with a point in the other direction. No blarges in 20+ years and if I had one it wouldn't exactly be the end of the world.

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That is the rule, it is not a mechanics issue.
It's still silly.

DonInKansas Sun Jan 11, 2009 08:46am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 567212)
But how will the timers know? :D

Clock will stop automattically due to the sensors in our brains knowing we're going to blow the whistle. Timers will no longer be neccessary.:D

Adam Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:03am

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Originally Posted by DonInKansas (Post 567277)
Clock will stop automattically due to the sensors in our brains knowing we're going to blow the whistle. Timers will no longer be neccessary.:D

Or, they'll just hear the whistle. Oh wait, that's what they do now.

fullor30 Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:05am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 567103)
Fractured foot. Lots of assignments are going to have to be re-filled over the next 2 months.


I can rearrange my schedule.........

fullor30 Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:09am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 567210)
1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

1)diasagree, as I'm not good at it!

2)Strongly agree.

Rich Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:08am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 567286)
Or, they'll just hear the whistle. Oh wait, that's what they do now.

My point (literally and figuratively) exactly.

BillyMac Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:29pm

Can You Hear Barbra Streisand Singing In The Background ???
 
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 567204)
Since I started in the mid-80s, I can tell you all about it. You kept the players right (whether lead or trail) always. You would cross over as the trail at the first opportunity. Throw-ins could put both officials on the same side of the court as the lead would administer and the slide over to the other side of the court.

Me too. The trail would dictate the rotation. As the lead, you had to get used to different partners. Some would rotate too quickly, they were obviously uncomfortable working opposite, as it was called back then, even if there was a key matchup in their area. Other partners would take their time working opposite. I remember that I had a partner who once who suggested, in a low level game, that we work opposite for an entire period, just for fun. I remember this experience as being surreal (I definitely have been reading too many of mbyron's posts lately).

BktBallRef Sun Jan 11, 2009 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 567245)
So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul.

The same way it works now, the same way it works in the NBA and NCAA.

If there's a double whistle, I raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss.

If there's a double whistle, I don't raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 11, 2009 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 567293)
1)diasagree, as I'm not good at it!

I bet you weren't good at bouncing the ball to the FT shooter or thrower but you've perfected it by now. :)

BillyMac Sun Jan 11, 2009 02:20pm

Good Idea To Mention This In Pregame Also ...
 
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 567386)
If there's a double whistle, I raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss. If there's a double whistle, I don't raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss.

Good mechanic. Rookie officials pleae tazke note.

MOofficial Sun Jan 11, 2009 02:42pm

I dont know for 100% sure but I think the Welmer injury is affecting all levels of college ball. Reason I say this is because I have an NAIA D1 game tomorrow in the Kansas City area and our R has been removed from the game and replaced. Our original R for the game works in the big 12 and was working the K-State vs. Ok game Saturday, so I'm wondering if he had to go fill in somewhere for the Big 12....


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