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Ch1town Fri Jan 09, 2009 03:48pm

Let's hear it
 
Alright officials, we are either 1/3 or 1/2 way into our seasons. Not that we enjoy having to do it, but how many Ts have you issued so far & what level.

Out of 30 gms just 4 for me (2 on varsity players, 1 on jv bench & 1 pre-game dunk varsity).

zm1283 Fri Jan 09, 2009 03:56pm

- One to a boys MS coach after I warned him for his bench's chirping about non-calls. (That's a foul, over the back, travel, etc) I guess he didn't like it that I was warning his bench so he told me "I'm just getting started" in a rather loud voice while exiting his box walking toward the endline.

- One in a boys JV game for reaching over the boundary line and slapping the ball.

- One last night during a boys 8th grade game. It was the championship game of a tournament. The two teams were from the same city. We had each warned the visitors about chirping. I called a foul on one of the V's players for a hold. He turns right toward me and says "What....come on!!" Whack. The coaches can't fathom why I would T him. They said he was just showing emotion. Yeah....right.

Edit: Oh yeah, one more administrative T for adding a player to the book. I didn't give any last year and that's four for me this year. Should be five but I called a kid for an intentional and not a T during another boys JV game.

Scratch85 Fri Jan 09, 2009 03:57pm

25 games, still 0-fer.

Adam Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:00pm

15 games or so, 1 T. JV girls, administrative T (adding player to book midway into 1st quarter.)

slow whistle Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:07pm

15 BV/GV so far and zero personally...would have had one but my partner got the whistle to his lips quicker than I did on a HC...only other one in any of my games was a player telling my partner "you suck"....thought he should handle that himself...coaches have been unusually subdued this year in my games, no idea what it is? El Nino?

deecee Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:10pm

about 20 games and 2 -- 1 BV and 1 BJV, both on players for being overy demonstrative after a call. The JV one surprisingly was a call that went his way.

OHBBREF Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:12pm

20 games college 11 high school
 
2 NCAAM DIII same game 3 games
Player gave C the F foul and the infamose dead ball dunk

0 NCAAW DIII 9 games

0 NJCAAW 8 games

2 Boys VHS 4 games
1 coach behavior problems 1 admin

1 girls VHS 5 games
Little lady had a potty mouth :confused:

currently 35 dates left to go.

mbyron Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:14pm

26 games to date; 2 admin T's for players not in the book.

The first and only coach T was last weekend in a frosh game, when the visiting coach got in my face and said, "you've GOT to call that travel!"

It turns out that I did not have to after all. ;)

Mark Padgett Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:15pm

I've called an infinite number so far. I hope to increase that tonight to infinity plus 10.

mbyron Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 566840)
I've called an infinite number so far. I hope to increase that tonight to infinity plus 10.

That's not an increase (same cardinality). :p

IHSAref Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:20pm

One for a MS 8th grade coach for swearing rather loudly at me and my partner. Partner later said that the coach had a right to be upset and I was wrong in giving a T:eek:

slow whistle Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHSAref (Post 566848)
One for a MS 8th grade coach for swearing rather loudly at me and my partner. Partner later said that the coach had a right to be upset and I was wrong in giving a T:eek:

Did you proceed to give your partner a T for being an idiot?

IHSAref Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:26pm

I must have missed that part in the interp meeting. ;)

Adam Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHSAref (Post 566848)
One for a MS 8th grade coach for swearing rather loudly at me and my partner. Partner later said that the coach had a right to be upset and I was wrong in giving a T:eek:

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 566850)
Did you proceed to give your partner a T for being an idiot?

Probably told him he'd cost the coach the game.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:37pm

Four (4) technical fouls:

TF #1: Head Coach of a girls' H.S. varsity team during a scrimmage game (4th scrimmage of the season; 1 men's college, 4 girls' H.S., and 3 boys' H.S.). I also issued the appropriate reminder that a second TF would require disqualification from the game. See Footnote #1.


TF #2: My third game of the season (1 men's college and 1 girls' H.S. before this game) is a boys' Jr. H.S. doubleheader (7th grade followed by 8th grade). Early in the first quarter of the 7th grade game, I am T, TS, and turn to go to L and have the V-HC standing past the S/TT, almost in front of the Home Bench. I walk him back to his coaching box as I go to my L position and remind him to stay in the Coaching Box. H1 intecepts a pass in the Mid-court (you young whippersnappers will have to go back over thirty years to learn about the MC Area) area and is racing down the court toward Team H's basket. V-HC beats me across the division line (MTD, Jr. will tell you that is not difficult to do, :D) as I go from L to T. WHACK!! And he says to me: "How can you call that in a 7th grade game?" And this coach is a H.S. baseball umpire in MichiganHSAA and is a former girls' H.S. varsity coach.


TF #3: My third game of the season (1 men's college and 1 girls' H.S. before this game) is a boys' Jr. H.S. doubleheader (7th grade followed by 8th grade). Early in the second quarter, V6 goes completely out-of-bounds to guard H1 who is attempting a throw-in after a Team V field goal. There is ten feet of space behind each endline on this court and the H1 was about six feet away from the endline and V6 was close enough to him to be considered closely guarding him under NCAA Women's and FIBA rules. Appropriate official warning was issued. Early in the third quarter, H1 has ball out-of-bounds for a sideline throw-in when V6 (the same one that caused the warning in the second quarter) goes complete out-of-bounds to guard H1. WHACK!


TF #4: My third game of the season (1 men's college and 1 girls' H.S. before this game) is a boys' Jr. H.S. doubleheader (7th grade followed by 8th grade). Early in the fourth quarter V6 (yes the same player from TF #3) misses a layup and then fouls H2 in attempt to get the rebound. V6 didn't think he commited a foul and slammed the ball to the floor to show is displeasure with my foul call. WHACK!


Footnote #1: Why was the reminder necessary you ask since it was only a scrimmage game? Scrimmage games can be conducted pretty much anyway the coaches want to conduct them. That mean's it can be running clock periods; no free throw except for shooting fouls; no periods at all, just situaional scrimmaging; etc. But the OhioHSAA does regulate how many scrimmages a team can participate in a season and how long a scrimmage can last. And because soccer can be such an out-of-control sport, flagrant conduct, now matter what the sport or level of competition, is to be penalized. In other words, flagrant conduct is flagrant conduct. And had this HC received a second TF during the scrimmage, not only would he have had to sit out the first two varsity games of the season (as well as not be on the bench for any jr. varsity, and freshmen games until the first two varsity game of the season had been played) he would have had to play the ejection fine that coaches must pay (only checks drawn on the coaches personal checking accoung, money orders, or certified bank checks are exceptable; a check drawn on a school accout will automatically be rejected) as well as complete the mandatory online sportsmanship course (we officials call it the anger management course).

MTD, Sr.

Ch1town Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:41pm

Man, if coach is getting T'd up in scrimmages, then I know he's getting ran in real games.

OHBBREF Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 566864)
Four (4) technical fouls:

TF #2: boys' Jr. H.S.

TF #3: boys' Jr. H.S.

TF #4: boys' Jr. H.S.

I am sensing a pattern here
you probably need to avoid boys' Jr. H.S. games :cool:

fullor30 Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 566835)
26 games to date; 2 admin T's for players not in the book.

The first and only coach T was last weekend in a frosh game, when the visiting coach got in my face and said, "you've GOT to call that travel!"

It turns out that I did not have to after all. ;)

I guess I'd have to be there, but "you gotta call that travel" warrants a T?

I imagine there were priors on this.

fullor30 Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:59pm

A few T's in wreck leagues out of maybe 150 games I've done so far.

M&M Guy Fri Jan 09, 2009 04:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 566875)
I guess I'd have to be there, but "you gotta call that travel" warrants a T?

I imagine there were priors on this.

I imagine it was the "got in my face" part that earned the T, not necessarily the specific words used.

Ch1town Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:01pm

Originally Posted by mbyron

The first and only coach T was last weekend in a frosh game, when the visiting coach got in my face and said, "you've GOT to call that travel!"

It turns out that I did not have to after all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 566875)
I guess I'd have to be there, but "you gotta call that travel" warrants a T?

I imagine there were priors on this.

Not that I was there, but I'm thinking the bold is what got coach the T.

M&M Guy Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 566878)
Not that I was there, but I'm thinking the bold is what got coach the T.

Excellent point - I agree. :cool:

Adam Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 566879)
Excellent point - I agree. :cool:

I agree with Ch1town.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 566867)
I am sensing a pattern here
you probably need to avoid boys' Jr. H.S. games :cool:


And all in the same game to boot. And nothing close before or since then (knock on wood).

MTD. Sr.

M&M Guy Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 566883)
I agree with Ch1town.

That's just the kind of mean-spirited stuff that drives people away.

(Oh, wait, I think I'm channeling the wrong person now...)

ILRef80 Fri Jan 09, 2009 05:49pm

I've had 2. Of course, both were in JH games. I've only worked 8 JH games and have had 2 T's in them.

The first one came when I called a 5 second count on a team. The coach thought that the count should restart since the defender "took a step backwards" (he was still well within the 6 foot radius). He told me I need to learn the rule. *tweet*

My 2nd one came when A1 shot the ball and then ran and caught his own airball. My partner called a foul on the ensuing shot and the coach was irate saying that it's a travel when that happens. I told him that you are allowed to do so and he was being very demonstrative and screaming that I was wrong. *tweet*

grunewar Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:40pm

22 games and 1 T - BJV, for being overy demonstrative after a foul called on him.

Scratch85 Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:13pm

Make it 0 for 26. Easy game tonight, didn't have to use a single smart a$$ line I've learned on this forun.:D

Rich Sat Jan 10, 2009 01:40am

Does a player slapping a ball out of an inbounder's hands count?

If so, 1.

15 games, boys/girls varsity.

APG Sat Jan 10, 2009 04:12am

In 38 games this year:

Two T's to players at the middle school level...

1. First T player thinking he was fouled looks in my direction and yells outloud "D*AMN it!"

2. Second T is in a 7th grader boys game...was for a player, who threw his hands in disgust in front of me after a call. Might have to be a HTBT moment, but I felt it was an easy T

Three T's in BJV games for comments towards me or my partner...

1. Technical foul happened when a player (on the winning time up by 20 points at the time), stole the ball. He loses control after creating contact with the then defense and loses the ball. As we transition back down the court, he looks at me and yells out loud, "You need to call a foul!" Pretty easy T.

2. B9 game...B1 fouls A1 on a fastbreak. Easy call for my partner. B1 after the call goes to the padded wall on the endline and punches it in fustration. Whack!

3. B9 game...A1 drives down the lane and is blocked by B1. A1's momentum after the block carries him to the floor.There was slight contact and A1 thought he should of gotten a call. While on the ground, he slams the floor with two hands and yells, "That's a foul." Bam, easy T.

One T given to a player who for some reason reached across the endline and contacted the ball while the thrower-in was running the endline.

One T in B9 for comments at another player.

!. B1 rebounds the ball and A1 tries to get a jump ball but grabs an arm in the process. I call a foul. Little extracuricular activity... I come in to try and defuse the situation, but as I'm coming in, A1 tells B1, "Don't come in here with that weak s***."

Two T's to head coachs...

1. One T for a coach during a G8 tournament game. A1 drove into a B1 with LGP, bounced off B1, ball bounces off A1 and in the process, A1 gets injured. Tried to beckon the coach to help her injured player, but the coach just spent her time arguing about the call and not attending to her player. In fact, she just stayed at her bench. After more complaining about the call, my partner and I tell her that's enough. She continues, and in the process is trying to incite the crowd and is subsequently hand out a T.

2. Second T was in a BJV game where the coach was asking for 3 seconds early and often in the second quarter. On this particular play, his oppenent scores, and while his team inbounds the ball, he leaves his coaching box, and yells outloud at me about having to call 3 seconds. I was opposite table site, and it was loud enough for everyone to see it. Had no opportunity to give the coach any sort of warning. Easy T. What made it even better was the fact that the varsity officials were there watching the first half and were completely behind the call.

referee99 Sat Jan 10, 2009 09:49am

I am on a roll...
 
In the past 4 game nights I have issued 3:

JV Boys coach who wanted one.
Warned him about chirping/whining with "Coach you can be up in your box coaching your kids..."
Like I say, he wanted it

Freshman boys player for slamming ball in anger. (h/t to DeeCee)

JV Girls coach who wanted one.
Warned him about chirping/whining with "Coach you can be up in your box coaching your kids..."
Like I say, he wanted it (deja vu all over again.)


Prior to that.... a couple maybe...

Adam Sat Jan 10, 2009 09:57am

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 567044)
Freshman boys player for slamming ball in anger.

Awe, you couldn't just talk to him?
/sarcasm]

Rich Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:42am

I imagine that if I were to work a steady diet of MS games, I'd hand out Ts like the tellers hand out lollipops to kids at the bank.

deecee Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:55am

lol -- you know i was thinking about it and i think ive changed my mind -- if the ball bounces 2 feet higher than 4 times the width of the diameter of the original peach basket that naismith played the game with I would be 8 time more likely to T the player. The only exception would be if the ball then proceeds to land on the head of the most annoying fan in the gym, then the player will be awarded 2 shots for the bonus.


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