Player Control Foul
 

If the defender is back pedallng, but his torso is squared up to the dribbler.The dribbler runs into the defender and knocks him over. Is this player control or does the defender have to be set.

If the defender is backing up, meaning away from the dribbler, and the dribbler runs into him and knocks him over, it is player control whether the torso was squared up or not.

does not have to be set

Another common misconception by coaches. "How can that be PC? The defender was moving!"

"Sure he was. He was running from your big man."

4-23-3(c) is what you need.

(Now, what I need is another weekend.)

what if your feet are set and your back is toward the offender ??

4-23-3(b) and 4-23-3(e) tell you the player does not need to face their opponent. And, 4-23-3(c) and 4-23-3(d) tell you the player's feet do not need to be set, either.

to obtain you need to be set but you dont need to be set to maintain

Wrong. to obtain, both feet need to be on the floor at the same time while facing the opponent. Being "set" is not required, as a player may be moving and meet the requirements.

Also, if a player is not moving, LGP is irrelevant (thus he may draw a charge with his back to the offensive player.)

If the defender has established and maintained legal guarding position, it would be a player control foul.

-Josh

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

Good point.

As jar mentioned, if the defender is pedaling straight backward, I'm not convinced he needs to have established LGP.

I think that a lot of officials still call a block on the grounds that they put the "burden of proof" on the defender: if he's not stock still, it's a block. It's just easier (but lazy) to call it that way. I see a lot of guys who call it that way.

I think that the perception is changing, though. Many folks still think that the defender has to be set, but they are also looking at who initiates the contact.

Over time, the following dialogue might seep into the coach/player/fan head: "He was moving!" -- "True, but he had LGP and your player initiated the contact."

Agree totally with this.

Blindingly obvious? The more experienced you are the more likely you are to call a player-control foul or team-control foul. When I do Rec or 7/8/MS games, I think sometimes I'm the only one who calls these......most have never even seen the team-control foul signal.

Actually had a no call similar to this late in an 8th/Boys rec game last night. H was down 2 with 4 seconds to go after V had scored. They inbound and race up sideline, V coach screaming "Don't Foul!"

As A1 approached B1, defender turns his body and starts to get out of the way from A1 who clearly changes direction at that instance to take a step away from the basket and toward B1. Launches himself into the air and grazes B1 while firing away the off-balance LONG 3-pt try. Horn goes off after the shot is away, misses by a mile. I am T and on that same side of the court, but I read no-call and let the game end.

H Coach is screaming for a blocking call because defender wasn't set, I told him his player initiated what little contact there was.

Supervisor told me as I was leaving later that night that the coach wrote down on his officials' grading card that I was terrible and needed to read the rule book about legal guarding position (he actually used that phrase!) and what constitues a block.

........sigh.........

Wouldn't that be a Run "over the back" foul :eek: