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chartrusepengui Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 566595)
You're right, that's likely what happened. However, it's bound to lead from questions from the coach that can easily be avoided by not using the unapproved signal.

"Persecute" is a little strong, don't you think. I just don't like it, but I'm not going to harp on it unless a guy asks.
Yeah - just couldn't think of another word at the time:)

About the only time I'll use that signal is if partner is looking at me on OOB play if he is unsure if ball was tipped and is looking for help.

LDUB Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 566548)
"foul-tip" baseball signal as an indication that I saw the basketball play, and let it go as a clean play
Doesn't you not sounding the whistle and calling a foul also let everyone know it was a clean play?

Rich Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 566644)
Doesn't you not sounding the whistle and calling a foul also let everyone know it was a clean play?
That signal just looks amateurish and looks like the official is trying to justify not making a call which actually, to me, makes the no-call appear even more questionable.

Bishopcolle Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:18pm
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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 566644)
Doesn't you not sounding the whistle and calling a foul also let everyone know it was a clean play?
True...good point

Bishopcolle Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:20pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 566652)
That signal just looks amateurish and looks like the official is trying to justify not making a call which actually, to me, makes the no-call appear even more questionable.
I disagree....at least you acknowledge you saw action, but felt it a clean play...otherwise, you stand there chewing your cud, and probably look to most of the fans as if you don't have a clue if there was a foul or not....Only My Opinion, and I know it's not worth much....

Ch1town Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:29pm
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Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 566740)
I disagree....at least you acknowledge you saw action, but felt it a clean play...otherwise, you stand there chewing your cud, and probably look to most of the fans as if you don't have a clue if there was a foul or not....Only My Opinion, and I know it's not worth much....
Is that in Rule 11 & signal #78 on the signal chart :D

Seriously though, you'll change your tune when you do the foul tip while your partner has a fist up & all hell breaks loose. I promise you that!

Ever had a blarge in your games? If so, I bet you learned to hold up on the prelim huh.

Ever had a held ball while your partner has a foul in front of the fouling teams bench? If so, I bet you learned to go with the held ball huh.

Bishopcolle Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:37pm
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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 566750)
Is that in Rule 11 & signal #78 on the signal chart :D

Seriously though, you'll change your tune when you do the foul tip while your partner has a fist up & all hell breaks loose. I promise you that!

Ever had a blarge in your games? If so, I bet you learned to hold up on the prelim huh.

Ever had a held ball while your partner has a foul in front of the fouling teams bench? If so, I bet you learned to go with the held ball huh.
Well, you are right....obviously, but I am hoping my partner isn't calling in my area....then we don't have that problem...but I know, it's not a perfect world, so I better shag the "unauthorized" signal...

Ch1town Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:45pm
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Originally Posted by Bishopcolle (Post 566756)
Well, you are right....obviously, but I am opening my partner isn't calling in my area....then we don't have that problem...but I know, it's not a perfect world, so I better shag the "unauthorized" signal...
I'm not right, JMO. It's about what is right. Hoping partners don't call in your area won't make it so. What about the gray areas of the court? It's bound to be a double whistle sooner or later.

slow whistle Fri Jan 09, 2009 02:57pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 566652)
That signal just looks amateurish and looks like the official is trying to justify not making a call which actually, to me, makes the no-call appear even more questionable.
I use this signal in one situation....if I am C in FC and have a play in front of me and the ball goes shooting into the BC and T has no idea what happened b/c he is hopefully watching his primary, I will give the ugly tipped ball signal so he doesn't call a BC violation...to me this beats him stopping play and me having to run over to inform him that the ball was tipped...

Adam Fri Jan 09, 2009 03:00pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 566617)
What about a C giving a tip signal to the trail letting him know the ball was tipped by B and should not be ruled a backcourt violation? I'm sure this is unapproved, but it's something that longtime partners and I use once every 10 games or so.
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 566652)
That signal just looks amateurish and looks like the official is trying to justify not making a call which actually, to me, makes the no-call appear even more questionable.
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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 566769)
I use this signal in one situation....if I am C in FC and have a play in front of me and the ball goes shooting into the BC and T has no idea what happened b/c he is hopefully watching his primary, I will give the ugly tipped ball signal so he doesn't call a BC violation...to me this beats him stopping play and me having to run over to inform him that the ball was tipped...

Rich obviously agrees with you. :D

slow whistle Fri Jan 09, 2009 03:02pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 566772)
Rich obviously agrees with you. :D
Ha looked for that example too to see if it was posted already...apparently didn't look hard enough!:D


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