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freddie_g2001 Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:46pm
Technical foul on Coach....Partner says you just cost them the game.
 
As a Referee in Texas, I don't need to stress the "power" coaches have as far as "Scratch List", Etc. I was working a Tournament with two other decent officials. We had a good game, going back and forth. We were in the double bonus both sides. With approximately 2 minutes in the game, Team B was down by 1 pt. Team A had possession and brought the ball in at the base line of Team B to go to their front court. With Team B Pressing, I was the Trail Official and had the block call right in front of Team B's Bench. A No Brainer, easy call. Coach from Team B didn't like the call. As I went to report the Foul, Team B coach yells loud enough for me to hear to the other coach, "He must be your brother" (Referring to me) After reporting the foul, I blew my whistle and administered a Technical foul to Coach from Team B for questioning my Integrity. One of my partners came up to me afterwards and said, "You just cost them the game" I told him, I didn't tell the coach to say what he did, I just dealt with it. I wanted to know some of you senior officials point of view on this. Thanks for your input.....freddie_g2001

JRutledge Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:51pm
I am not sure how you cost the coach the game. The coach should know when not to make such silly comments.

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by freddie_g2001 (Post 564913)
As a Referee in Texas, I don't need to stress the "power" coaches have as far as "Scratch List", Etc. I was working a Tournament with two other decent officials. We had a good game, going back and forth. We were in the double bonus both sides. With approximately 2 minutes in the game, Team B was down by 1 pt. Team A had possession and brought the ball in at the base line of Team B to go to their front court. With Team B Pressing, I was the Trail Official and had the block call right in front of Team B's Bench. A No Brainer, easy call. Coach from Team B didn't like the call. As I went to report the Foul, Team B coach yells loud enough for me to hear to the other coach, "He must be your brother" (Referring to me) After reporting the foul, I blew my whistle and administered a Technical foul to Coach from Team B for questioning my Integrity. One of my partners came up to me afterwards and said, "You just cost them the game" I told him, I didn't tell the coach to say what he did, I just dealt with it. I wanted to know some of you senior officials point of view on this. Thanks for your input.....freddie_g2001

freddie_g2001:

Sounds like your partner is as big a schmuck as the HC you whacked.

MTD, Sr.

deecee Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:02pm
Great T -- in fact if you didnt call this T and I was your partner and found out about this I would lose a lot of respect in you as an official.

Dont take what your partner said seriously, he just doesnt have the stones to do his job effectively and impartially.

Adam Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:21pm
Might be one of the best Ts we get to read about all year. Good call, and good response to your partner.

refnrev Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:53pm
Shame you couldn't whack your partner, too. He deserved it. What a STUPID statement. Feel free to quote me!

Adam Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 564945)
Shame you couldn't whack your partner, too. He deserved it. What a STUPID statement. Feel free to quote me!
Billy Mac will be around in the morning to give you your due.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by freddie_g2001 (Post 564913)
As a Referee in Texas, I don't need to stress the "power" coaches have as far as "Scratch List", Etc. I was working a Tournament with two other decent officials. We had a good game, going back and forth. We were in the double bonus both sides. With approximately 2 minutes in the game, Team B was down by 1 pt. Team A had possession and brought the ball in at the base line of Team B to go to their front court. With Team B Pressing, I was the Trail Official and had the block call right in front of Team B's Bench. A No Brainer, easy call. Coach from Team B didn't like the call. As I went to report the Foul, Team B coach yells loud enough for me to hear to the other coach, "He must be your brother" (Referring to me) After reporting the foul, I blew my whistle and administered a Technical foul to Coach from Team B for questioning my Integrity. One of my partners came up to me afterwards and said, "You just cost them the game" I told him, I didn't tell the coach to say what he did, I just dealt with it. I wanted to know some of you senior officials point of view on this. Thanks for your input.....freddie_g2001
Any coach deserves a T for that comment. Good T. Whack!

You didn't cost nobody nothing. :p

BktBallRef Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:09am
You should have told your partner, "He must be your brother." :P

Scratch the partner.

asdf Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:14am
Freddie....

Automatic !! A well deserved T.

I'm glad you had the courage to whack him.

muxbule Tue Jan 06, 2009 02:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 564945)
Shame you couldn't whack your partner, too. He deserved it. What a STUPID statement. Feel free to quote me!
What refnrev said.

There I quoted you.:D

GoodwillRef Tue Jan 06, 2009 07:07am
Great Whack...some guys (you partner) just don't get it!

OHBBREF Tue Jan 06, 2009 01:51pm
bravo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by freddie_g2001 (Post 564913)
"You just cost them the game" freddie_g2001[/SIZE][/FONT]
Hope you can get a new partner!

as bugs bunny would say " what a moroon!"

FrankHtown Tue Jan 06, 2009 02:28pm
Being in Houston, I don't worry much about "scratch lists." There are so many schools, that even if a coach doesn't scratch you, you probably wouldn't see that school again for 2 or 3 years...by that time usually another coach is there.

You took care of business properly.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Jan 06, 2009 02:29pm
I would get a new partner. This guy had to be a moron to say that. If I had a partner say that to me, I'd clam up and not listen to him postgame in the locker room, just change and get the hell outta Dodge.

Adam Tue Jan 06, 2009 02:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 565252)
I would get a new partner. This guy had to be a moron to say that. If I had a partner say that to me, I'd clam up and not listen to him postgame in the locker room, just change and get the hell outta Dodge.
My first words in the locker room would be simple, "WTF was that?"

26 Year Gap Tue Jan 06, 2009 03:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 564915)
freddie_g2001:

Sounds like your partner is as big a schmuck as the HC you whacked.

MTD, Sr.
Maybe his brother was HC of Team B.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jan 07, 2009 09:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 565256)
My first words in the locker room would be simple, "WTF was that?"
Or go off on him like Earl Strom going off on Dick Bevetta that one time...someone posted the story somewhere on the forum.

Adam Wed Jan 07, 2009 09:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 565561)
Or go off on him like Earl Strom going off on Dick Bevetta that one time...someone posted the story somewhere on the forum.
Padgett keeps it on his copy/paste clipboard for easy access.

Indianaref Wed Jan 07, 2009 09:57am
Forward your partner this thread. Sounds as though he needs to get a set.

cardinalfan Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:27am
The problem, at least around here, is that too many guys would've let this type of comment go because we've heard this affects the outcome if we administer one late. My thinking is that the coach should be extra careful to keep his trap shut late in the game if he doesn't want the outcome affected!

The assignor in our area (a neighbor to TX) allows a limited number of "scratches" by a coach, and I've found that coaches get mad over T's, but they save their scratches for guys who they don't think they can trust to make good calls in big games.

jearef Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:57am
Easy T. Automatic T.

Jerk partner. Idiot partner. Partner who has no guts.

deecee Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:22am
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardinalfan (Post 565606)
The problem, at least around here, is that too many guys would've let this type of comment go because we've heard this affects the outcome if we administer one late. My thinking is that the coach should be extra careful to keep his trap shut late in the game if he doesn't want the outcome affected!

The assignor in our area (a neighbor to TX) allows a limited number of "scratches" by a coach, and I've found that coaches get mad over T's, but they save their scratches for guys who they don't think they can trust to make good calls in big games.
You already affect the outcome if you dont call it. Besides the coach or player affects the outcome by saying or doing stupid things that we give a T for. The blame game is the easiest game to play in life.

I had my second T for the year yesterday, BV about 4 minutes to go visitors up by 6. V1 drives and plows H1 in the paint, easy player control. After the whistle and foul I am going to report and V1 punches the padding behind the basket and yells "WHAT!!! F*&%!!!" - T.

Home teams scores 4 on the ensuing FT's and possesion. They end up losing by 11, but would I have felt bad if that was a big turning point. H-E-L-L NO.

cardinalfan Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by deecee (Post 565656)
You already affect the outcome if you dont call it. Besides the coach or player affects the outcome by saying or doing stupid things that we give a T for. The blame game is the easiest game to play in life.
My thoughts exactly. Sad that too many others are like the original poster's partner.

rockyroad Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by freddie_g2001 (Post 564913)
One of my partners came up to me afterwards and said, "You just cost them the game" I
Freddie, when you say "afterwards" do you mean after the game - as in while you were in the locker room? Or did this guy actually say this to you right there on the court where the coaches/fans/players/table crew could hear what he said?

If he said it in the locker room, have at it with him...let him know exactly what you think of his comments and attitude...and then let it stay right there. It ends with that discussion.

If he said it on the court during the game where others could hear, then you need to be contacting whoever is in charge in your area or State, and let them know exactly what this guy said.

JRutledge Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:36pm
I completely agree.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 565699)
Freddie, when you say "afterwards" do you mean after the game - as in while you were in the locker room? Or did this guy actually say this to you right there on the court where the coaches/fans/players/table crew could hear what he said?

If he said it in the locker room, have at it with him...let him know exactly what you think of his comments and attitude...and then let it stay right there. It ends with that discussion.

If he said it on the court during the game where others could hear, then you need to be contacting whoever is in charge in your area or State, and let them know exactly what this guy said.
Either way, I would have said something to this official in the locker room. Not that you need to be confrontational, but you do need to sometimes set the record straight. And if he still disagrees, move on. This definitely would not have gone unchallenged or without some further discussion on my part.

Peace

freddie_g2001 Mon Jan 12, 2009 01:02am
My Partner said it right after the call.....coach didnt hear...?
 
Freddie, when you say "afterwards" do you mean after the game - as in while you were in the locker room? Or did this guy actually say this to you right there on the court where the coaches/fans/players/table crew could hear what he said?

If he said it in the locker room, have at it with him...let him know exactly what you think of his comments and attitude...and then let it stay right there. It ends with that discussion.

If he said it on the court during the game where others could hear, then you need to be contacting whoever is in charge in your area or State, and let them know exactly what this guy said.
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