Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 561029)

Based upon your description, you made the proper call.
Contact during a LIVE ball is never a technical foul. The coach is 100% wrong. You have nothing to fear from a report to the state office. File an injury report if you need to. I bet that you are glad that you called a foul on the play even though it was in your partner's area. I wonder what his reaction was when he learned that the player was hit hard enough to break her nose and he didn't believe that a foul was warranted. (Of course, an injury isn't always conclusive proof that something illegal occurred, but it does make for an easy whistle.)

Your choices were: common foul = PC foul, intentional personal foul, flagrant personal foul.

Remember that the guard is not required to give the ball handler any time or distance as long as the guard does not make contact. If the offensive player violates the guard's vertical space and places that player at a disadvantage, a foul on the offensive player should be called.

There are times when contact will occur due to the normal pivoting movement and not be a foul as it will not place any player at a disadvantage. In that case, it should be deemed incidental contact.

Just don't fail to protect the defender who has a right to that space in the same manner as you always hear about protecting the shooter.

Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 561141)

Mark - Is the "reaching in" foul located in rule 11 also?

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 561151)

Yes, just after the part about inbounding the ball at mid-court following a timeout in the last two minutes of the game and players having to stand in the backcourt during the shooting of a technical foul.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 561147)

In the second place, often the contact is a result of the defender literally sticking his nose where it doesn't belong, resulting in either a small amount of incidental contact or a blocking foul.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 561159)

Could you please expound upon that part?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 561159)

Could you please expound upon that part?

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 561175)

A1 pushes the ball in transition, dribbling with his right hand. B1 pursues on his left. A1 does a quick start-stop move. B1 is fooled, and lunges across A1's body in an ill-conceived attempt at a steal. (that's right, he reached in)
There is considerable contact, an easy blocking call on B1, who emerges rubbing his nose and frowning. B1's mother stands up. "What? He got hit in the nose!"

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 561139)

Yeah, it is. It's part of the same rule that says you can have a 3 second call while the ball is still in the backcourt, that a player that reaches over another player without contact to get the ball has committed an over-the-back foul and that backcourt violations can occur without team control. It's called NF rule 11. All coaches have it in their rulebook. Unfortunately, no officials do.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 561165)

I disagree with it. Usually, it seems this contact is because the rebounder is sticking his elbows where he has no right to have them.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 561185)

I may have overstated the point. When it's a rebounder, I agree with you. Let's try it this way. If a player is standing vertically as he should, he'll be okay, of course. But when a player assumes an improper posture, defensively speaking he sometimes leads with his chin, and may easily create the contact with it.

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 561139)

It's called NF rule 11. All coaches have it in their rulebook. Unfortunately, no officials do.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 561244)

I just discovered that the Catholic Bible has more books in it than the Protestant Bible. Many, not all, of us Catholics don't spend a lot of time reading our longer Bible, and don't usually bring it to Sunday mass; while many, not all, Protestants often carry their shorter Bible with them, especially to Sunday services. Coaches have the longer Catholic Rulebook, and use it like many, not all, Catholics, seldom; and officials have the shorter Protestant Rulebook, and use it like many, not all, Protestants, often.

Oh. I almost forgot. Happy Chanukkah. They just have the Rulebook, not the Casebook.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 561249)

So Mark has an apocryphal rule book? Hmmmmm...

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 561249)

So Mark has an apocryphal rule book? Hmmmmm...