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OHBBREF Thu Dec 11, 2008 01:52pm

Possession awareness
 
NCAAW Both teams in the bonus
A1 is driving toward the basket below the Ft line and being double teamed. Player A1 tries to split the double team, B2 picks A1 clean and could be off and running, then B1 collides with A1 while moving toward A1 to cut off the dribble penetration. The lead has a whistle and a foul on B1 - what enforcement do you have, it will be the same in either FED or NCAA.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 11, 2008 03:03pm

TC foul on B1. Ball back to A at spot of foul with new shot clock

Caesar's Ghost Fri Dec 12, 2008 09:55am

If B already stole the ball, was it really a foul on B1? L should of held the whistle.

mbyron Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost (Post 557646)
If B already stole the ball, was it really a foul on B1? L should of held the whistle.

Really? Ew.

Scrapper1 Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:03am

Depends on what you mean by "picked clean". If you're saying that B1 established player control by holding or dribbling the ball, then it's a team control foul.

If B1 stripped the ball away from A1, but had not yet established player control, then it's a common foul because Team A would still have team control.

I think you mean the former, but I can't be sure from your description.

IREFU2 Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:41am

Sounds like the collision is/could be contact that can be ignored especially if you have a clean breakaway by B2. I would have to see the play.....

OHBBREF Fri Dec 12, 2008 01:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 557648)
B1 established player control by holding or dribbling the ball,

he was three steps out but not on a breakaway!

Quote:

Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 557667)
Sounds like the collision is/could be contact that can be ignored

So it is contact that you would have called if the player had the ball but is now incidental if the player doesn't have the ball?

Adam Fri Dec 12, 2008 01:10pm

If B1's contact put an opponent at a disadvantage defensively, you have to call it.

Smitty Fri Dec 12, 2008 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 557703)
So it is contact that you would have called if the player had the ball but is now incidental if the player doesn't have the ball?

Perhaps. Depends on advantage/disadvantage. Contact on a player with the ball might cause a disadvatage to that player, where the same contact on the player without the ball might cause no disadvantage. Just depends.


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