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fiasco Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:37pm

Technical foul? Elbow
 
A1 has just received an in-bounds pass after B's made basket. B1 is applying heavy pressure on A1, who is getting frustrated. B1 is right up on A1 but not making contact, just playing intense defense.

A1 is holding the ball in his left arm against his body and uses his right elbow to brush off B2. It wasn't contact to the head, and was more of a brush off than a swing.

My partner called a technical foul in this situation. :confused:

I would have probably had an intentional foul (not technical). I don't believe there was intent to injure (although there was a lot of frustration on A1's face) and I didn't think it warranted a flagrant, but using the elbow to brush off is a no-no.

What do you think? Clearly T is the wrong call here, right?

Adam Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:38pm

Live ball contact? You can call an intentional, a personal (PC), or a flagrant. Tech really isn't an option.
From what you wrote, I'd probably go with a standard PC foul.

jdw3018 Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 556348)
Clearly T is the wrong call here, right?

Yes. You cannot have a technical foul for contact during a live ball.

Player control, intentional, or flagrant personal were the options.

dbking Mon Dec 08, 2008 01:10pm

It's a violation
 
Excessive swinging of elbow is a violation not a foul

jdw3018 Mon Dec 08, 2008 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by dbking (Post 556360)
Excessive swinging of elbow is a violation not a foul

That's if there is no contact...there was obviously contact in this example.

Adam Mon Dec 08, 2008 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 556360)
Excessive swinging of elbow is a violation not a foul

Pushing an opponent with the elbow is a foul.

TheOracle Mon Dec 08, 2008 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 556350)
Live ball contact? You can call an intentional, a personal (PC), or a flagrant. Tech really isn't an option.
From what you wrote, I'd probably go with a standard PC foul.

Yes. Did not sound malicious so no need for intentional. I wonder how the kid kept the ball under his arm amidst heavy pressure?

derwil Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:20pm

Player control

OHBBREF Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 556360)
Excessive swinging of elbow is a violation not a foul

go back and read what excessive swing is vs what is in the post.

this is using an elbow that was " more of a brush off than a swing"

also the left arm was against the body. I do not have this being a violation in any way shape or form.

this is PC foul and move on.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Dec 09, 2008 09:14am

The most recent officials mag from the FED had an article about live ball vs. dead ball fouls. Live=personal foul (can be intentional or flagrant, etc). Dead=Technical (can be flagrant). Many officials make the mistake according to the article. It's a good read!


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