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refnrev Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:06pm

Personal Foul??
 
Testing for promotion this weekend. Study guides I am using have these questions with conflicting answers:

" A personal foul cannot occur during a dead ball." It says T
" A personal foul can only occur during a live ball." It says F

I say the first one is wrong and should be False because of the airborne shooter exception when the ball is dead. (4-19-1)

Everyone agree or disagree with me?

rgncjn Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:09pm

First one should be wrong... per your argument of the definition in 4-19-1

eg-italy Thu Dec 04, 2008 04:21am

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Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 555246)
Testing for promotion this weekend. Study guides I am using have these questions with conflicting answers:

" A personal foul cannot occur during a dead ball." It says T
" A personal foul can only occur during a live ball." It says F

I say the first one is wrong and should be False because of the airborne shooter exception when the ball is dead. (4-19-1)

Everyone agree or disagree with me?

For professional reasons I should be an expert in things like these. :)

Let's try and translate those sentences into logically equivalent ones:

(1) If the ball is dead then a foul is not personal
(2) If a foul is personal then the ball is alive

Let's write A for "a foul is personal" and B for "the ball is alive". Then
(1) becomes "If (not B) then (not A)", while (2) becomes "if A then B".

Now it's well known that "If P then Q" is logically equivalent to
"(not P) or Q". Then (1) is logically equivalent to "(not not B) or (not A)"
while (2) is equivalent to "(not A) or B". It's now sufficient to remember
that "(not not B)" is equivalent to "B".

I've shown that the two sentences say exactly the same thing and
it cannot happen that one is false and the other is true.

Another proof that math is useful. :D

Ciao

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 04, 2008 08:49am

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Originally Posted by rgncjn (Post 555248)
First one should be wrong... per your argument of the definition in 4-19-1

I agree.

Good luck with promotion!!

fullor30 Thu Dec 04, 2008 08:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 555246)
Testing for promotion this weekend. Study guides I am using have these questions with conflicting answers:

" A personal foul cannot occur during a dead ball." It says T
" A personal foul can only occur during a live ball." It says F

I say the first one is wrong and should be False because of the airborne shooter exception when the ball is dead. (4-19-1)

Everyone agree or disagree with me?


I'm also going for promotion and with work and ref schedule, little time for study. What study guides are you using?

tjones1 Thu Dec 04, 2008 09:59am

Good luck, Bob. I'm sure you'll do fine.

PS: My letter must of worked... unlike some people on this forum (uhh, M&M - shhhh) I only sent one letter instead of two. ;) Something tells me the second letter would not have worked. :D

M&M Guy Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 555339)
Good luck, Bob. I'm sure you'll do fine.

PS: My letter must of worked... unlike some people on this forum (uhh, M&M - shhhh) I only sent one letter instead of two. ;) Something tells me the second letter would not have worked. :D

'Ya think? :D It was actually a test to see if you were paying attention. You apparently passed.

Good luck as well, Bob.

refnrev Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:09pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 555301)
I'm also going for promotion and with work and ref schedule, little time for study. What study giudes are you using?

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Last year's Part 2 and this year's Part 1

refnrev Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 555339)
Good luck, Bob. I'm sure you'll do fine.

PS: My letter must of worked... unlike some people on this forum (uhh, M&M - shhhh) I only sent one letter instead of two. ;) Something tells me the second letter would not have worked. :D

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I was real pleased with the way that you begged them to let me apply for promotion. One of the other letters even offered a small bribe! :D

tjones1 Thu Dec 04, 2008 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 555377)
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I was real pleased with the way that you begged them to let me apply for promotion. One of the other letters even offered a small bribe! :D


Wellllll, the things I do for fellow officials. :D


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