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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 554245)

The only problem is I do not know if you could have a flagrant personal foul with only contact of the ball. You might have a Flagrant Technical because that is about conduct, not contact with a player.

I agree with ....

It's a technical foul because there was no physical contact between the two players.

The following is a similar situation:

THROW-IN STRIKES OPPONENT IN FACE

10.3.6 SITUATION B:

A1 has the ball out of bounds for a designated spot

throw-in. B1 is putting great pressure on and the count is at four seconds when
A1 throws the ball and it strikes B1’s face. The ball rebounds from B1’s face
directly out of bounds. RULING: The administering official will have to make a
decision based upon a number of observations. Was the throw-in to B1’s face
purely accidental or was it a voluntary, planned act? Was the ball contact caused
by the movement of the defender? Was the act of a an unsporting nature? The
administering official must be aware that players often react negatively in situations
where they are frustrated or are retaliating for something which happened
earlier in the game.

Please note that 10-3-6 is the rule which covers unsporting techincal fouls for players.

For a flagrant personal foul and a flagrant technical do you just signal as a normal foul and tell the scorer that it's flagrant?

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Originally Posted by roscoe (Post 557583)

For a flagrant personal foul and a flagrant technical do you just signal as a normal foul and tell the scorer that it's flagrant?

Yes -- there's no specific signal for a Flagrant foul. Some use the Baseball "ejection" mechanic.

Baseball Umpires Are What You Call "Experts" ...

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 557632)

There's no specific signal for a Flagrant foul. Some use the Baseball "ejection" mechanic.

I love the, "You're Outta Here", signal, but as bob jenkins so correctly pointed out, there's no specific signal for a flagrant foul on the NFHS signal chart. If you're going to use it, use it at your own risk. When in Basketball-land, do as Basketball-landers do.

I have only had to eject one player in my high school referee career. I think I used the crossed arm intentional foul sign and then pointed off the court like I was sending her to her room. It got the point across.

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Originally Posted by klancie (Post 554135)

Situation from HS game:

Player A1 dribbles ball, closely guarded by B1 near sideline. A1 picks up dribble, looks to pass, but becomes frustrated by B1's tight defense. A1 holds ball in left hand and hits B1 in face with right elbow. There is no doubt the contact is flagrant.

Officials assess a technical foul on A1, put ball in play at halfcourt after free throws. My thought is that this should have been an intentional foul, because the ball was live.

Thoughts? Rule or case references please.

1) A1's contact with B1 is a personal foul (live ball contact foul).

2) The covering official has to make a decision (that is why we are paid the big bucks) as to whether A1's foul is a common foul (a player control foul in this play), an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by klancie (Post 554135)

FIBA - disqualifying foul (intentionally striking a player is an automatic DQ)