ball side mechanic

[cdoug]

I had a question about the ball side mechanic in 2-person. I know that the manual says that the L should go ball side if the ball and a majority of the players are on the T side below the FT line ext. The diagram they give doesn't have a "majority" of the players in that area (maybe I'm being picky and 1/2 is sufficient for a majority).

I was just wondering if someone could explain to this newbie in a different manner than the book since that's not sinking in (at least right now).

[ajs8207]

I think you really have to feel it. This is now my second year, and I'm finally starting to get the grasp as to when to go ball side, and when to stay home. I'm not sure there is a clear 100% of the time definition for this one. When I need to go over to ball side to officiate the play, I go. If I feel I gain little to no advantage by going ball side, I stay. In fact, last year I had a couple times where I went ball side and it put me at a complete disadvantage. I hope this helps.

[mick]

Originally Posted by cdoug

I had a question about the ball side mechanic in 2-person. I know that the manual says that the L should go ball side if the ball and a majority of the players are on the T side below the FT line ext. The diagram they give doesn't have a "majority" of the players in that area (maybe I'm being picky and 1/2 is sufficient for a majority).

I was just wondering if someone could explain to this newbie in a different manner than the book since that's not sinking in (at least right now).

Consider:
2-20 - 5 T-side below, 3 T-side above
2-21 - 5 t-side below, 3 T-side above

In both cases the diagram shows an uncontested match-up on Lead side (i.e., nothing to do), so crossover and help as opposed to standing like a sundial away from play.

Rule a thumb, be there when you are needed and don't be late.

[zm1283]

Our association has pretty much told us not to use ball side mechanics in 2-man. I'll only do it in transition when the Trail doesn't get deep enough.

[mick]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Our association has pretty much told us not to use ball side mechanics in 2-man. I'll only do it in transition when the Trail doesn't get deep enough.

Seems to me that your association may be underestimating the abiity of the membership.
If we are challenged, we'll answer.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by mick

Seems to me that your association may be underestimating the abiity of the membership.
If we are challenged, we'll answer.

I don't know - that was told to us during a meeting of 1-3 year officials. I'm sure a lot of the older guys do it anyway.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I don't know - that was told to us during a meeting of 1-3 year officials. I'm sure a lot of the older guys do it anyway.

It's actually the opposite. A lot of the OLDER guys don't think you can ever cross the lane. Hell, most of them are still thinking how wonderful it was to work in the Cadillac and crossover during the live ball to get in it.

[mick]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I don't know - that was told to us during a meeting of 1-3 year officials. I'm sure a lot of the older guys do it anyway.

Rather than tell you not to do it, perhaps they should be teaching how to do it.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by cdoug

I had a question about the ball side mechanic in 2-person. I know that the manual says that the L should go ball side if the ball and a majority of the players are on the T side below the FT line ext. The diagram they give doesn't have a "majority" of the players in that area (maybe I'm being picky and 1/2 is sufficient for a majority).

I was just wondering if someone could explain to this newbie in a different manner than the book since that's not sinking in (at least right now).

if you wait for all the players and the ball to get below the FT line and then move across you may be too late. This is where you have to know what the teams are doing and what they are playing. If a team is playing zone defense, and the offense is skip passing alot you will probably wont be doing a lot of strong side officiating.

If the teams are playing man-to man and the team likes to go inside, you gotta get across because you know the ball is going to the hoop from that side.

If the two big guys are posting each other up and the ball is on opposite side from me as lead, the ball seems to be settling on that side and the big guys go across, I am going with them most of the time. I would rather be watching the post play from a couple of feet in front of them than from 15 feet, especially if you can get there and the ball is going to them...

My favorite mechanic (learned this from another official who does it so well)... If you are fast enough and can deal with a fast break and the ball is on opposite lane from you, if you can beta them down and get across it looks so good if there is foul because you are right there...

I learned my strong side mechanics in the two man game from Hue Hollins from the NBA...( a couple of years before the term had even hit high school reffing circuit).. His philosphy and that of the NBA two man crew (at least then) was that three person mechanics is a two man strong side game with a third official to help cover the backside.. The reason I bring this up... Watch college or NBA games and see when lead goes strong side with the play and see (based on NFHS philosophy) if you would or should go over to watch players or the ball. Get a feel for the game by even watching the TV games and you will recognize that many times when the lead in a three person game goes across, you might want to go across in a two person game...

Just something to think about...

[cdoug]

Thanks to all who replied. This was really helpful. I'll try to remember these things as my basketball officiating season kicks off.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

if you wait for all the players and the ball to get below the FT line and then move across you may be too late. This is where you have to know what the teams are doing and what they are playing. If a team is playing zone defense, and the offense is skip passing alot you will probably wont be doing a lot of strong side officiating.

If the teams are playing man-to man and the team likes to go inside, you gotta get across because you know the ball is going to the hoop from that side.

If the two big guys are posting each other up and the ball is on opposite side from me as lead, the ball seems to be settling on that side and the big guys go across, I am going with them most of the time. I would rather be watching the post play from a couple of feet in front of them than from 15 feet, especially if you can get there and the ball is going to them...

My favorite mechanic (learned this from another official who does it so well)... If you are fast enough and can deal with a fast break and the ball is on opposite lane from you, if you can beta them down and get across it looks so good if there is foul because you are right there...

I learned my strong side mechanics in the two man game from Hue Hollins from the NBA...( a couple of years before the term had even hit high school reffing circuit).. His philosphy and that of the NBA two man crew (at least then) was that three person mechanics is a two man strong side game with a third official to help cover the backside.. The reason I bring this up... Watch college or NBA games and see when lead goes strong side with the play and see (based on NFHS philosophy) if you would or should go over to watch players or the ball. Get a feel for the game by even watching the TV games and you will recognize that many times when the lead in a three person game goes across, you might want to go across in a two person game...

Just something to think about...

Kelvin:

I am reading this thread kind of late, but Hue Hollins evaluation of ball side mechanics is spot on. Thanks for sharing.

MTD, Sr.