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Chess Ref Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:34am

My Technical Foul Odyssey
 
So I have had some comments that I give too many technical fouls. I don't want to become the T man but I kinda feel like I'm taking care of business, and so it goes.
I'll just be bouncing off all my T's this season off of you guys/gals and see where the discussion takes me.

Last night 8th grade game. Packed gym, a city league rivalry, close fun game to officiate. Kid unhappy about about not getting a call. As we turn up the court he says to me "When are you gonna give me a friggin call."

So I tweet and give a call while my making the T sign ...

Was my T reasonable ?

CoachP Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 550628)
So I have had some comments that I give too many technical fouls. I don't want to become the T man but I kinda feel like I'm taking care of business, and so it goes.
I'll just be bouncing off all my T's this season off of you guys/gals and see where the discussion takes me.

Last night 8th grade game. Packed gym, a city league rivalry, close fun game to officiate. Kid unhappy about about not getting a call. As we turn up the court he says to me "When are you gonna give me a friggin call."

So I tweet and give a call while my making the T sign ...

Was my T reasonable ?

Did he really say friggin or are you paraphrasing?:eek:

fiasco Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:46am

Who is telling you you're giving too many Ts?

And, yes, that would be a T in my game.

Ch1town Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:47am

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 550629)
Did he really say friggin or are you paraphrasing?:eek:

8th grade!! It doesn't matter if he paraphrased or not, MS kids don't have the luxury of communicating with officials in that manner. "When are you gonna give me a call"?
The OP made the perfect call for that situation. Packed gym, youngster misses the shot & wants to get bailed out but doesn't. So he tries to front on the official... T

CoachP Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:58am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 550636)
8th grade!! It doesn't matter if he paraphrased or not, MS kids don't have the luxury of communicating with officials in that manner. "When are you gonna give me a call"?
The OP made the perfect call for that situation. Packed gym, youngster misses the shot & wants to get bailed out but doesn't. So he tries to front on the official... T

Totally agree, I was just asking:o.

Adam Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 550636)
8th grade!! It doesn't matter if he paraphrased or not, MS kids don't have the luxury of communicating with officials in that manner. "When are you gonna give me a call"?
The OP made the perfect call for that situation. Packed gym, youngster misses the shot & wants to get bailed out but doesn't. So he tries to front on the official... T

If he paraphrased, I'd probably be looking at a flagrant at this level.

If he quoted, then "just a T" is perfect.

Good call, partner.

Ch1town Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:28pm

My badd, didn't mean it like that CoachP.

Guess I'm still caught up in a similar situation on the football side. It's funny how a little word could be a big difference as far as meaning to each individual.

http://forum.officiating.com/footbal...book-help.html
See #9

Chess Ref Fri Nov 14, 2008 01:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 550629)
Did he really say friggin or are you paraphrasing?:eek:

He really said "friggen ".....thats why I'm bouncing it here. If he had not paraphrased it would have been a no brainer.....

Chess Ref Fri Nov 14, 2008 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 550635)
Who is telling you you're giving too many Ts?

And, yes, that would be a T in my game.

In general i would say about 50% of the people I know from officiating. My assignor is cool with it, in fact he was known as a T man when he was an active ref.....SO as far as he is concerned we,as an association don't give enough...

Mregor Sun Nov 16, 2008 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 550628)
"When are you gonna give me a friggin call."

My response: "Right now." and proceed just as you did.

Mregor

zeedonk Mon Nov 17, 2008 09:20am

Hey, even for a newbie, that's at least one "T" and depending on if there were any other problems with that kid, he might be in the showers... I've even got the second in my holster just in case he even looks at me funny after I ring him up.

Any problems with the coach in the game? I have found that many times the players conduct reflects the coach's- but not always to all you coaches out there! (Many times the kids know when the coach is an a.s.s.)

Z

Chess Ref Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:38am

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Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 551174)
Any problems with the coach in the game? I have found that many times the players conduct reflects the coach's- but not always to all you coaches out there! (Many times the kids know when the coach is an a.s.s.)

Z

Nope not a one. Coach is a very well mannered young man,about 22 yo, who asked legimate questions in a professional manner. Actually enjoyed my interactions with him.

Adam Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:49am

The coaching influence on players' attitudes isn't as pronounced at the lower levels, as they have less time with the kids.

A coaches negative behavior will almost always come out in the kids as well, but their positive behavior takes longer to affect the kids.

Chess Ref Mon Nov 17, 2008 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 551205)
The coaching influence on players' attitudes isn't as pronounced at the lower levels, as they have less time with the kids.

A coaches negative behavior will almost always come out in the kids as well, but their positive behavior takes longer to affect the kids.

Strongly agree with this....


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