Calling a time-out.

[Gary Jennings]

It has always been my interpretation that in order to grant a time out the ball must be is player possession-control before you grant the request from a player/head coach. Our local meeting is a buzz and spit 50-50 that you can grant a time-out while the ball is in the air being passed between two teammates (team control). I have always waited until the ball is caught/posessed by the recieveing teammate before putting air in the whistle and granting the time-out request.
I am looking @ 5.8.3.
Can someone help me here with a clarification and perhaps a case play or two to take back to my group?
Thankz DR J

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gary Jennings

It has always been my interpretation that in order to grant a time out the ball must be is player possession-control before you grant the request from a player/head coach. Our local meeting is a buzz and spit 50-50 that you can grant a time-out while the ball is in the air being passed between two teammates (team control). I have always waited until the ball is caught/posessed by the recieveing teammate before putting air in the whistle and granting the time-out request.
I am looking @ 5.8.3.
Can someone help me here with a clarification and perhaps a case play or two to take back to my group?
Thankz DR J

You have the right ruling and the right reference. 5-8-3 (note the dashes for rules; the dots are for cases) specifically says "control ... of a player"

[fiasco]

Split 50-50????

[referee99]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Split 50-50????

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[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Gary Jennings

Our local meeting is a buzz and spit 50-50 that you can grant a time-out while the ball is in the air being passed between two teammates (team control).

So 50% of you group never have a held ball?
it is the same principle if you can not call time out with out contol of a loose ball then you cann't do it during a pass!
Yes there might not be team control during a loose ball but in a situation.
But what they would be saying is that if I passed the ball to a team mate and he dropped it and their was a scramble for the ball, I could just call time out to save the possession?

I think not.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Split 50-50????

Thats what I thought..half the referees in an organization on that one? Wow.

The only thing I ever got 50/50 answers on was asking some local referees when a dribble starts.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Gary Jennings

It has always been my interpretation that in order to grant a time out the ball must be is player possession-control before you grant the request from a player/head coach. Our local meeting is a buzz and spit 50-50 that you can grant a time-out while the ball is in the air being passed between two teammates (team control). I have always waited until the ball is caught/posessed by the recieveing teammate before putting air in the whistle and granting the time-out request.
I am looking @ 5.8.3.
Can someone help me here with a clarification and perhaps a case play or two to take back to my group?
Thankz DR J

My only problem with that is if the time out is requested while in player control, but just prior to the release of the ball on a pass, you may allow the defense the chance to take possession of the ball.

This ususally happens when the request comes from the head coach and there is a delay in confirming that the HC did in fact make the request. Now the ball is in the air and..... you know the rest......

I hate that rule.....

You can always sell the time-out, emphasizing that the request was granted while in player control.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by asdf

You can always sell the time-out, emphasizing that the request was granted while in player control.

This is prudent. I always make a point of telling coaches that it doesn't matter when my whistle blows. That's just to stop the clock. What matters is when the timeout request was recognized.

[Brad]

From the NFHS Basketball Case Book:

5.8.3 SITUATION D: A1 or A2 requests a time-out: (a) while airborne A1 is holding the ball; (b) while A1’s throw-in is in flight toward A2; or (c) when the ball is on the floor at A1’s disposal for a throw-in. RULING:The request is granted in (a) and (c), but denied in (b), as there is no player control while the ball is loose between players.

Emphasis mine ... can't get much clearer than that!

And, yeah, 50% -- wow!

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Brad

And, yeah, 50% -- wow!

I agree this is pretty high. Maybe they were just thinking too much?

You know, trying to make chicken salad outta chicken... nevermind.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Gary Jennings

Our local meeting is a buzz and spit 50-50

You mean half of the guys spit on the other half? YUCCH!!!

[Nevadaref]

There are only two officials in his group. It's just he and his partner.

[refnrev]

Had this very play last night. Girl is dribbling and gets trapped. As she fumbles the ball HC yells for TO. I watch and see her gain control again and I grant the TO. Team control isn't enough and surely 50% of your group doesn't think that player control continues on a passed ball!