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OHBBREF

Tue Nov 11, 2008 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549824)

currently defined as where it was last touched.

got it thanks

OHBBREF

Tue Nov 11, 2008 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549827)

I think it backs up the assertion that FC/BC do not exist, per the rules, without team control.

Okay that is simple - I do not think that that would be an assertion though -
that would be fact - since without team control it is only a location on the floor - there is no FC/BC status.

Adam	Tue Nov 11, 2008 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 549830)

Okay that is simple - I do not think that that would be an assertion though -
that would be fact - since without team control it is only a location on the floor - there is no FC/BC status.

Exactly.

Nevadaref

Tue Nov 11, 2008 03:45pm

I should have been clearer on the following play.

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 549723)

2. With only six seconds remaining in the game and the score tied, Team A has an endline throw-in. A1's throw-in pass is immediately deflected by B1 who is standing near the endline in the backcourt of Team A. The ball continues IN FLIGHT to midcourt where A3 and B3 commit a double personal foul while going for the ball, but before either player is able to touch it. The official sounds the whistle for the double foul with two seconds left. How is the game resumed?

mbyron

Tue Nov 11, 2008 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 549830)

I do not think that that would be an assertion though - that would be fact

It's an assertion when someone utters or writes it sincerely (non-ironically); the fact is what makes the assertion true. ;)

Adam	Tue Nov 11, 2008 06:24pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 549861)

I should have been clearer on the following play.

I still don't see how BC/FC have any bearing on this play.

BillyMac

Tue Nov 11, 2008 06:51pm

Or You Stayed At A Holiday Inn Express Last Night ...

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 549863)

It's an assertion when someone utters or writes it sincerely (non-ironically); the fact is what makes the assertion true.

English teacher, writer, or philosopher? Give us a hint. Maybe I don't need a hint, I've already got two clues, a username that includes "Byron", and a signature that contains the British informal goodbye, "Cheers". You're a poet.

Nevadaref

Tue Nov 11, 2008 07:43pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549890)

I still don't see how BC/FC have any bearing on this play.

Play #2 demonstrates that the ball has a status (FC/BC; inbounds/OOB) that is independent of the players or the concepts of team and player control.

You may look at it as just having a location since neither team is in control or you could say that it is in the FC of one team and the BC of the other whenever it has inbounds status. Your choice. ;)

Adam	Tue Nov 11, 2008 08:45pm

I think it has location with regard to the most recently scored goal. I disagree that it has FC or BC status.
I've made my decision. :)

Nevadaref

Tue Nov 11, 2008 09:10pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549903)

I think it has location with regard to the most recently scored goal. I disagree that it has FC or BC status.
I've made my decision. :)

So when A1's throw-in pass hits B2 in head you are willing to acknowledge that the ball has inbounds status, but not FC or BC status? ;)

Adam	Wed Nov 12, 2008 09:27am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 549905)

So when A1's throw-in pass hits B2 in head you are willing to acknowledge that the ball has inbounds status, but not FC or BC status? ;)

Yep.

bob jenkins

Wed Nov 12, 2008 09:32am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549980)

Yep.

I disagree. The (inbounds ball) has FC or BC status -- but it doesn't matter unless there's also Team Control (and the other two requirements for a BC violation to happen).

Adam	Wed Nov 12, 2008 09:35am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 549981)

I disagree. The (inbounds ball) has FC or BC status -- but it doesn't matter unless there's also Team Control (and the other two requirements for a BC violation to happen).

Which is it, then? Whose FC or BC? I don't think you can determine that until you know which team has control.

CoachP

Wed Nov 12, 2008 09:40am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 549982)

Which is it, then? Whose FC or BC? I don't think you can determine that until you know which team has control.

I lost ya. We don't need to know who has team control to determine who's backboard/goal is theirs, why should FC/BC be any different?

Adam	Wed Nov 12, 2008 09:43am

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549984)

I lost ya. We don't need to know who has team control to determine who's backboard/goal is theirs, why should FC/BC be any different?

Because Team A's BC is Team B's FC. If the ball is bouncing underneath A's goal, you need to know which team has control to determine whether the ball is in the FC or the BC.

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