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Jay R Mon Nov 03, 2008 06:05pm
Two travel related questions
 
At our association's meeting last night, there was some discussion about players on the floor and traveling. We use FIBA rules but I am curious what people have to say regarding these situations and Federation rules etc....

1. The ball is on the floor and a player gets down on one knee while keeping his other foot on the floor and he picks up the basketball and lifts his knee to stand up. Do you agree that he did not travel because he had a pivot foot?

2. A player is lying flat on his stomach and picks up a loose ball. The player then gets to his knees but does not get up completely. Is this a travel?

Nevadaref Mon Nov 03, 2008 06:24pm
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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 548330)
At our association's meeting last night, there was some discussion about players on the floor and traveling. We use FIBA rules but I am curious what people have to say regarding these situations and Federation rules etc....

1. The ball is on the floor and a player gets down on one knee while keeping his other foot on the floor and he picks up the basketball and lifts his knee to stand up. Do you agree that he did not travel because he had a pivot foot?

2. A player is lying flat on his stomach and picks up a loose ball. The player then gets to his knees but does not get up completely. Is this a travel?
Both are travels under NFHS rules.

eg-italy Mon Nov 03, 2008 06:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 548330)
At our association's meeting last night, there was some discussion about players on the floor and traveling. We use FIBA rules but I am curious what people have to say regarding these situations and Federation rules etc....

1. The ball is on the floor and a player gets down on one knee while keeping his other foot on the floor and he picks up the basketball and lifts his knee to stand up. Do you agree that he did not travel because he had a pivot foot?

2. A player is lying flat on his stomach and picks up a loose ball. The player then gets to his knees but does not get up completely. Is this a travel?
1. In the instructional video for the new rules a situation showed a player who went for the ball and had both feet on the floor, but also the arms. He tried to stand without dribbling: traveling. I guess it's the same in your situation; there's no concept of pivot foot for a fallen player.

2. 25.2.3 states that it is a violation if the fallen player attempts to stand up while holding the ball. Getting to the knees is attempting to stand up.

Ciao

Nevadaref Mon Nov 03, 2008 06:30pm
NFHS RULE
Rule 4, Section 44


ART. 5 . . .
A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.


In your first situation, the player has clearly gained control while touching the floor with something other than a hand or foot, namely his knee. Therefore, he may not attempt to get up or stand.

In your second situation, going from one's stomach to one's knees is considered an attempt to get up. The player is only permitted to sit up after gaining control of the ball while lying on his back on the floor.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 03, 2008 08:53pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 548339)
The player is only permitted to sit up after gaining control of the ball while lying on his back on the floor.
Of course, you're correct here. However, I thought I'd just throw this out at everyone. What other actions besides sitting up can the player do in this situation that are legal according to NF rules? I can think of at least four.

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 03, 2008 09:21pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 548354)
Of course, you're correct here. However, I thought I'd just throw this out at everyone. What other actions besides sitting up can the player do in this situation that are legal according to NF rules? I can think of at least four.
Begin a dribble, pass, shoot, <strike>call</strike>request time out?

Purchase a traveling rider to his foul insurance? ;)

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 03, 2008 09:36pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 548358)
Purchase a traveling rider to his foul insurance? ;)
Careful. This is clearly off-topic and dangerously close to a joke. This is now the NFF -- No Fun Forum. :(

Adam Mon Nov 03, 2008 09:37pm
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Originally Posted by back in the saddle (Post 548358)
begin a dribble, pass, shoot, <strike>call</strike>request time out?

Purchase a traveling rider to his foul insurance? ;)
rotflol

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 03, 2008 09:47pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 548363)
Careful. This is clearly off-topic and dangerously close to a joke. This is now the NFF -- No Fun Forum. :(
Believe me, I had no fun when I typed that. ;) Zero fun.

Adam Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 548367)
Believe me, I had no fun when I typed that. ;) Zero fun.
Well in that case....

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 548358)
Begin a dribble, pass, shoot, <strike>call</strike>request time out?

Purchase a traveling rider to his foul insurance? ;)
Good job, BITS. Ya' got all five. :rolleyes:


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